The Game at Penn State Saturday will be a Televised "Shrine" to Joe Paterno.

[RagAss]

Big mistake ESPN....It will make most of the country puke.:puke:

[girl_interrupted]

1. I don't think so

A lot of the anchors on different sports channels were calling for Paterno to be fired. His actions or lack of, have been embarrassment to people who really enjoy sports.

[RagAss]

2. I meant the students in the stands.

[Bunny]

31. Don't think so.

There's a movement to have people in the stands wear blue ribbons to support the victims in the horrible situation. You will see WAY more of that than you will some misguided attempt to further venerate JoePa.

[orpupilofnature57]

3. +1

[Tansy_Gold]

5. The sportscasters could, if they really wanted to, strike

Refuse to call the game. Let Penn State -- and the NCAA -- know that this kind of behavior, this tolerance of brutality toward vulnerable children, is not acceptable.

DO SOMETHING. Take a stand. Show some spine.

Or else they, too, are enablers.


I can hear them whining now, with their six and seven figure salaries on the line. "There are signed contracts. There's nothing we can do. Our hands are tied."

THAT'S BULL SHIT AND THEY KNOW IT.


wankers, wankers all.



Tansy Gold

[RagAss]

6. Agreed ...good post !

[fishwax]

12. you're saying the broadcasters are enablers if they don't refuse to call the game?

I think that's wrong.

[Tansy_Gold]

13. Yes, I am.

If you have an opportunity to do something to stop a wrong, and you don't do it, then you are an enabler.

There's an MLK quote floating around here that's extremely appropriate, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Or another -- "In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."

[fishwax]

15. I don't think they would be doing anything to stop a wrong by not calling upcoming games n/t

[Tansy_Gold]

16. You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine.

And I'm only talking about THIS game, not all games.

[fishwax]

17. I don't think they could stop a wrong by refusing to call just this game, either

In fact, I think they can probably do some good with this game, by using the broadcast to raise awareness of sexual abuse, to encourage reflection/thought about the victims, and so on.

"You're entitled to your opinion. I'm entitled to mine."

Certainly.

[Tansy_Gold]

22. They can raise awareness of sexual abuse, of rape, of the whole

culture of absolute power corrupting -- but do it on another game.

Nothing is stopping them from saying, "We're not broadcasting PSU/NU today because we want to send a message to the administration of PSU and to the NCAA that this kind of system is simply not tolerable. We feel sorry that the NU fans aren't getting to see the game, but there will be other games, other Saturdays. It's important for us to take this opportunity to say to PSU, and to the innocent victims of this corrupt system, that someone has to pay a price for that corruption."

Yes, it's a shame that the NU fans and players might be deprived of the tv coverage, but isn't that what OWS is all about, too? That when a crime has been committed there are lots of secondary and tangential victims who -- even though they've "innocently" benefited from the system -- shouldn't have to then pay the price for what the actual perp did. But if those innocents don't pay SOMETHING, in essence giving up the benefits that have been provided to them by the system, then the perp gets off paying NOTHING, and the benefits continue.

Everyone seems to want Paterno and Sandusky and Curley and Schultz and even McQueary to be punished without any collateral damage to the PSU students or the Husker fans or the ESPN sponsors. But that's not going to happen. EVERYONE has been complicit, some to very minor degrees, but none of the players (pun intended) in the business of college sports is completely without blame. Not the fans, not the other players, not the students, not the networks, not the broadcasters, not the coaches, not the sponsors.

But you see I'm a sociologist, so it's difficult for me to isolate any event from its wider context. That's just the person I am.


TG

[fishwax]

32. they could do that, but I don't see that it would stop a wrong

Or why choosing not to do so would make them enablers. If a broadcast team did that, I would certainly respect the decision and respect them for taking their stand. But it isn't what I would choose to do if it were me in that position. Rather than making a statement by renouncing the broadcast booth, I would use the power of the broadcast booth to make a statement (or several).

"But you see I'm a sociologist, so it's difficult for me to isolate any event from its wider context. That's just the person I am."

Yeah, I've a tendency to focus on context as well (though I'm not a sociologist by training). It's a good thing to do, and the world probably needs more of it. But I guess it won't always lead to agreement about tactics :)

:hi:

[madokie]

40. You aren't understanding what is being said to you IMHO

go back and read and give some thought to what was typed and I think you will then see

[fishwax]

43. perhaps you could clarify for me

I've read the conversation several times. TG said that sportscasters would be enablers if they don't refuse to call the game. I disagreed.

[OneGrassRoot]

14. Really good point. n/t

[CoffeeCat]

4. I was listening to a local conservative talk show...

...host this morning and he said it best---that he's never seen this amount of collective outrage
from America, since 9/11.

Americans are fully engaged, and 99 percent of them are disgusted, enraged and very upset about this.

Those yahoos who showed up at Paterno's house are total outliers--but the media gives the appearance
that they are the other side of the story.

The overwhelming majority of the nation is very upset about this and we've only begun to discuss this
and process it. The entire story hasn't even come out yet.

I think the sports reporters and their feelings toward Paterno and the rest of the pedophile enablers--
reflects the 99 percent of the country who is just sick over this.

[Aerows]

23. Yeah this isn't divided by partisanship (nor should it be)

or anything. It's just depraved behavior, and as you say, we haven't even gotten the full story yet. I have the feeling that when they start digging deeper, we are going to see even more people get what they deserve for letting this go on for so damn long.

I'm disgusted, and everyone I've talked to is equally disgusted and heartsick over this.

[badhair77]

7. I hope not.

As a PSU alum I am heartbroken and ashamed of my school. However, the student protesters on Wed night were 1000 to 2000 at most. Some were kids just showing up because something was going on or to perform for the TV cameras. Most had no clue about real life and the depth of the damage that had been done by Sandusky and any kind of coverup. There are about 44,000 undergrads at University Park and most are going about their business. We'll see how well-attended tonight's vigil will be.

[MadHound]

18. First of all, it was over 10,000 students, a quarter of the student population

Second, it wasn't a "protest", it was a riot, complete with overturned vehicles and other such violence.
<http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11314/1188877-100.stm?cmpid=latest.xml>

Stop trying to sugarcoat this shit, it is that mindset that led to this tragedy in the first place.

[B2G]

24. I watched the fiasco

but no way were there 10,000 students there. A thousand or two at most.

[MadHound]

26. And yet report after report by credible journalist say otherwise

Who to believe, several credible journalists, or an anonymous internet poster?:shrug:

Pardon me if I go with the several credible journalists. Nothing personal.

[B2G]

29. The media can't count when it comes to OWS, but

suddenly they are mathematicians when they support your argument. OK.

[B2G]

30. Dupe n/t

[MadBadger]

33. Ive seen reports saying 2K and some saying 10K

I wouldnt be so dismissive if I were you. I was reading a Reuters article that characterized it as more than 1,000. That sounds a lot closer to the anonymous internet poster than what you say the journalist are saying.

[coalition_unwilling]

35. +1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - n/t

[badhair77]

36. I am stunned.

As a victim of child sexual abuse myself I would not try to 'sugarcoat any shit' so there is no need to admonish me.

There are plenty of sources out there saying 2000. I see yours says 10000 and if this is true I wish reporters would be honest about it because that would indeed be almost a quarter of the undergrads.

Peace.

[Name removed]

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[MineralMan]

11. I'm a Nebraska fan, but I object to your characterization

of the PSU team with your name change. It's uncalled for. Truly it is. The current team has nothing to do with this, nor do the enormous majority of Penn State students and alumni.

[stlsaxman]

9. Can someone draw up a list of corporations advertizing during the game?

I would LOVE to be able to proudly NOT spend my money with them.

:hi:

[robdogbucky]

10. Actually, to that point, I saw the ESPN crawler last night during the game

between Georgia Tech and Virginia Tech displayed that some sponsors are already pulling out of participating in tomorrow's broadcast of the P$U/Nebraska game.

If that continued, I think ESPN or some other "brave," (stupid and greedy) sponsor would have to take the hits if they do advertise. Pay attention today, this might snowball.

I think canceling the game is too drastic, but I would not mind a solemn, half-filled Beaver Stadium as a protest. Wouldn't harm the athletes, they could still get the shit beat out of them by the Huskers.

[msanthrope]

20. Can you imagine if they get a bowl game???

What sponsor would want them?

[KamaAina]

21. They could end up with an automatic bowl bid

they're leading their division of the Big Ten at the moment. If they win out, they end up in the Rose Bowl. :puke:

Even if they don't, the Big Ten has tie-ins with several bowls. I'd assume they'd fall all the way to the bottom of the pecking order: the Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl or the new Dallas Football Classic.

[MadBadger]

34. The sponsor that enjoys making money?

[robdogbucky]

25. Cars.com is the first advertiser to pull out

of both this week's game vs Nebraska along with next week's game vs Ohio St.

http://sports.yahoo.com/sportsminute



Maybe this will snowball.

[Cognitive_Resonance]

19. Shouldn't be any games. Those jokers obviously don't get it. nt

[robdogbucky]

27. Blackout proposed for Saturday's PSU game

Blackout proposed for Saturday's PSU game

"..."We definitely wanted to do something because there was no way we would sit quietly and let this go by," said Kate Branford.

Branford and Emily Wilkins were two among many State College residents who took to Facebook to express their anger. Their group, "Shame on you PSU," proposed a blackout at the Nebraska game.

"The blackout is to show respect for the victims and show everyone we are a grieving community a grieving school right now we are in shock we are ashamed of what's happened but we still support our team our school these kids out there on the football field did nothing wrong," said Wilkins.

This is designed to express support for the university but let it be known they are disgusted by the scandal that has rocked a proud university..."



http://www.wjactv.com/news/news/blackout-proposed-saturdays-psu-game/nFX3B/

[PM Martin]

28. Mr. Paterno is not the only one to blame here. With that said...

the university's students really need be humble. Considering what has occurred, celebrations of any kind would be given in extremely bad taste.

[CANDO]

37. For Crap's sake.

Settle the hell down! I'm as outraged as everyone, but stop with the punishment of anything and everything Penn State. I, as a PSU fan had NOTHING whatsoever to do with Sandusky, Paterno, etc. But I must pay! Why? Because I root for Penn State and by extension, I'm an enabler of child molestation! Get a fucking grip people!

[Tansy_Gold]

38. So by extension, are you saying then

That you are entitled to your enjoyment of Penn State football and no matter what Joe Paterno or Jerry Sandusky or Mike McQueary did, the game must go on lest you be deprived of your entertainment? And does that mean Paterno should be reinstated so he can continue to coach winning teams, because you're a fan and fans deserve whatever they want?

You, as a fan, benefited from Joe Paterno's program. That's the nature of "privilege." You didn't do anything to earn that privilege, you can't do anything to divest yourself of it, but you enjoyed it nonetheless. And now that you're about to be deprived of it, you're squealing like a stuck pig.

Go do something else, CANDO, on Saturday afternoons. Read a book. Volunteer at a homeless shelter. Take a child to the park or adopt a dog from a shelter. You are not owed a football game.

YOU get a grip, Cando. It's not all about you.



TG

[CANDO]

39. Boy o boy

You're heaping a whole bunch of judgement and bullshit upon anyone who dares enjoy rooting for any particular team. I'm a Yankee fan, and therefore by your judgement I endorse the use of steroids by the likes of Clemens, A-Rod etc. Thank you for setting yourself in judgement of whatever it is that I'm "entitled" to. ???

[Tansy_Gold]

41. Yep, that pretty much says it

I am, and you do. Just imho, of course.

[CANDO]

42. Don't think on your own much, do you?

It's called a mob mentality, and you apparently lack the ability to apply critical thought processes. You lack the ability to to find and assign blame to the real culprits, and instead lash out and attack the casual bystander. The fact you are hiding here on a progressive message board makes me wonder why. I pride myself on using logic and reasoning to guide my daily life. You apparently don't do so. You assign blame to the blameless. Nice of you on that. I'll not make any further comments on this matter.