A 28 year old man is NOT a "kid".

[SoCalDem]

28 is NOT a "kid".

12 is a kid


Our culture sees these males with hyper-extended-childhoods-through-sports as "kids" for a very long time, and offers up excuse after excuse for their bad behavior....boys will be boys etc.

The law says you are no longer a "kid" at 18.

You can fight & die in wars at 18..you can vote at 18..you are legally responsible at 18. Oddly, hard liquor is about the only thing you have to wait for 21 to legally be considered adult enough to consume...that said, 21 is still not 28.

Shit..if you are under 18 and commit a crime, you can be tried & executed as an adult if you are not even 18 yet.

It's not only men who have this issue. I keep hearing references to grown women as "girls" too.

Moms & Dads will always think of their offspring as "kids" long after they are grown, but to all others they are ADULTS..

McCreepy (or whatever is name is) did not call the cops because he feared the loss of his cushy well-paid job, and the attention the crime would bring to his beloved "game". It had nothing to do with protocol or school rules.

If he had seen a murder in the showers that day, would he have run home to Daddy for advice? There was a murder that day...not of the body..but surely of the soul of that unnamed little boy.

The fact that no one even seemed to care enough to find out his name, or find him, tells me more than I needed to know about this crew of creeps.. They ALL need to go.

[patrice]

1. K&R

[LWolf]

2. After reading some suggestions that the 28 yo's response was "normal,"

I talked to my adult sons.

Oldest son... "He can't do what's right without calling Daddy to find out what's right? That's not shock. That's bad parenting. Was he raised with any kind of moral compass, or to think for himself?"

Youngest son... "I'm not the only one who wouldn't have walked away. The predator wouldn't have either."

[SoCalDem]

6. When my son was 14, he went to the uniformed policeman assigned to his high school

(yeh..I know..but it;s California & schools have a cop assigned to them:(..)

anyway, a girl in one of his classes was telling her friends about how her step dad had "come on to her" & my son went to the cop & told him..

His buddies warned him not to because he would be a "snitch", but he did it anyway

He did not have to come home & ask us what to do..

The Mom divorced the step dad so there must have been something to it. That girl is still a close friend of my son, even though she was embarrassed ( and a little mad at my son) when the cop approached her after school & went home with her.

She's married to a nice man & has 3 little kids. Who knows what would have happened to her if no one had said anything.

[Tumbulu]

22. Wow, what a wonderful story

thanks for sharing it with us.

[Capitalocracy]

30. There are uniformed police officers in schools in Kansas.

I imagine it's fairly universal.

Good kid. Man, that brings back memories.

[dballance]

40. You Should Be Very Proud

It's hard for a kid in that situation - especially with his friends telling him not to report it.

[SoCalDem]

41. The thing is that he did not even tell me..

She told me at his wedding...15 years later:)

Our kids never "tooted their own horn"

I also found out from an old teacher of his (years later) about the time he used the money I gave him for a field trip to the tidal pools at Newport Beach..to buy beach food for the homeless guys who hung out there:)..He was about 10 at the time..

This is a guy who routinely "pays" people at gas stations to clean his windshield with their greasy rags:rofl:..a liberal guy thru and thru

[classof56]

38. Your sons are a great example of your good parenting.

I am totally disgusted about the lack of action on the part of the 28-year-old who walked away from a youngster being molested. Ugly, ugly, ugly! Talk about lack of moral compass. Keep wondering what happened to that boy, and how his life turned out. Breaks my heart to think about it.

Kudos to your sons and to you!

[TwilightGardener]

3. I had two children at 28. Had been married over 5 years. Full-fledged adult.

[OhioChick]

4. Agreed n/t

[sufrommich]

5. This "kid" called his Dad for advice instead of calling the

police because of the status of the child molester, had it been a stranger, the outcome would have been very different. Shame on him for sacrificing a child to protect a football franchise.

[Liberal_in_LA]

7. Dad is pediatrician - advice should have been HANG UP AND CALL POLICE ASAP

[SoCalDem]

16. That is even worse than I thought.. I did not know he was a pediatrician

Double shame on him:(

[beac]

21. His dad is referring to him as a "kid" right now:

"He’ll make it. He’s a tough kid.” http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/10/mcquearys-dad-its-eating-him-up-not-being-able-to-tell-his-side/



Dear McQueary's,

Mike = a man, then and now. Victim he refused to help = a kid.
Shame on you.

Sincerely,
People Who Aren't Buying Your Spin

[coalition_unwilling]

31. Technicality: Dad was a 'physician's assistant' and a manager

of the health care organization. Not a pediatrician. Not sure if that changes what Dad should have said, though.

[Zoeisright]

42. Doesn't change what the dad should have done.

If he worked in a medical office, he's a mandated reporter.

[coalition_unwilling]

49. I'll defer to those who know the law as far as mandated reporting. I

merely wanted to point out that the father was not, properly speaking, a medical doctor or pediatrician, at least from what I've read. Someone up thread reported definitely that pere McCrearu was a 'pediatrician.'

[uppityperson]

53. If he is a PA, he's a mandated reporter. Thanks for clarifying not a pediatrician

as that implies MD status, which he didn't have. Ped PA perhaps, but not MD. And yes, mandated reporter.

[coalition_unwilling]

55. So does that mean pere McCreary faces potential

criminal charges or professional discipline for failing to report as mandated? I'm quite a bit out of my depth here and genuinely curious.

[October]

35. Exactly. /nt

[zbdent]

8. a 17 year old woman has to (now in Ohio) get a judge to see if she's mature enough

to have an abortion ...

but there's a case where a young boy (not exactly sure of age, but early teens) who raped his three year old sister, and she ended up dying ... and they're looking to try him as, get this, AN ADULT ...

So, which is it?

[SoCalDem]

9. Fuzzy fuzzy law

and totally situational:(

[LiberalArkie]

11. Kids are just property until they leave the home.

[LibDemAlways]

44. That is unfortunately all too true in many cases. Parents continue to

dictate how their otherwise "adult" children (18 and over) live their lives until they have the financial wherewithal to escape. Keeps young adults living in sort of a netherworld between childhood and adulthood far beyond what is healthy.

[rocktivity]

12. If you're not mature enough to get an abortion

how can you POSSIBLY be mature enough NOT to get one?

:shrug:
rocktivity

[SoCalDem]

13. It's about paying for your "sin"

No easy-out (which is how the zealots see abortion)

Of course they also lament the passing of the "Baby Scoop" they used to have easy access to also.

If the young woman decides to keep that baby, there will be little or no help once that baby is out of the womb, and if the baby is handicapped or too "tan", adoption is not always an option for her child either.

Someone might step up and offer to foster-for-pay until the child gets past the "puppy-kitten" stage, but the zealots want punishment-for sin above all else.

They want that young woman to go through childbirth and make the gut-wrenching choice of whether to raise an unwanted child in probable poverty..raised by an unwilling Mom, or to give that child away to the system and always wonder about her choice.

Some will wonder too, if they choose an abortion, but an early abortion has to be less agonizing.

[Kber]

43. Damn that's a good point!

I'll be borrowing that line, if you don't mind.

[uppityperson]

54. Seriously. eom

[RebelOne]

10. "if you are under 18 and commit a crime, you can be tried & executed as an adult,,,"

Not in Georgia, We have a case of a 17-year-old accused of killing a police officer and he will not be tried as an adult.

Judge rules accused cop killer ineligible for death penalty

CLAYTON COUNTY, Ga. — Channel 2 Action News has learned prosecutors in Clayton County will not be able to seek the death penalty against a teenager accused of murdering a sheriff's deputy.

Prosecutors said Jonathan Bun admitted shooting and killing veteran police officer Rick Daly during a traffic stop in July. Daly was trying to arrest Bun on outstanding warrants for armed robbery and aggravated assault.

But because Bun was only 17 at the time of the shooting, he is not eligible for a death sentence.

www.wsbtv.com/news/news/judge-rules-accused-cop-killer-ineligible-death-pe/nFbGz

[EFerrari]

14. When I was 28, I'd already been responsible for countless children

for 20 years and two of my own for 6.

[Louisiana1976]

17. You were responsible for countless children when you were 8?

[EFerrari]

20. I started babysitting when I was 8 and come from a huge extended

family that got together every weekend.

[Critters2]

36. I was ordained at 27, and leading a youth group of 45. And I knew damn well

that I had to report any child abuse I saw tp police and/or DCFS. Not just because the church said so, or the law said so (it didn't--clergy were not yet mandatory reporters), but because common sense said so.

A 28 year old is not a kid!!

[butterfly77]

15. Thank you..

I hear this all of the time through the media. They always try to define much of what they know little about and most of it relates to the world of the 1960's.

[Zebedeo]

18. Plus

he was 6'5" and a former football player. He towered over Sandusky, who at the time was a man in his mid-50s.

[Odin2005]

19. I'm 25 and I HATE people calling me a kid.

WTF is with the push towards infantilizing young adults, nowadays?

[pipi_k]

28. I did too, when I was your age, but you know what...

I just turned 59 last month.

From where I am now, I look back, and I really WAS a "kid" even though I had been married twice and had birthed three children.

By the same token, six years ago my 93 year old MIL lived here with us, and she thought of me as a "kid".


In a way, she was right. She had 40 years of knowledge and experience on me, so yeah, to her I was a kid.

I don't think it has anything to do with trying to "infantilize" younger adults. It's just what happens when you get older. Or, I should say, some of us tend to see it that way.

So, OK...you're 25. My youngest child would have been 37 this coming Sunday. I have a step grandson who is 26. I have 34 years of life experience on you. So yes...in my eyes, you are still a kid.

Which really isn't as bad as it sounds, because if I had a choice, I would love to be 25 again. My body didn't hurt, and I didn't know a whole LOT of what I know now that I would rather not know.

[Odin2005]

32. Point taken!

:hi:

[pipi_k]

33. I'm glad...

I mean, I'm glad you understood what I was trying to say...

:)

[Randypiper]

23. I though this was about Wilson Ramos being kidnapped.

He is 24, 6' tall, 221 lbs.
Kidnapped?

[Cid_B]

24. They are in the modern world...

Living at home well into 20s, still on parents insurance etc.. etc.. etc..

I much prefer the 18/graduate high school and you are out the door...

[6000eliot]

25. Um, he was paid for his silence with a job.

Not difficult to get why he did what he did, even if it is hard to understand.

[Lady President]

26. Deflecting Blame

Deflecting blame seems to be the way of our society. Wasn't Bush in his 30s when he claimed to have "youthful indiscretions"?

By 28 I had been practicing law for several years and handled $1M+ contracts everyday. I was very close to my parents, but I didn't need them to tell me right from wrong.

[Arkansas Granny]

27. K & R

[The Backlash Cometh]

29. This is a good post with points well taken.

McGrady was in a no win situation. He was going to lose one way or the other, whether he told or not. That era, back then, was not conducive to these kinds of revelations. He made his choice to delay the backlash he would receive.

[Tafiti]

46. Whaa?

Way, way back, forever ago in 2002? Yeah, almost a completely different world back then. :crazy:

[The Backlash Cometh]

50. No one who hasn't been in that situation will understand.

Until you have to stand up to an entire community and deal with the repercussions, you can't possibly understand.

[12AngryBorneoWildmen]

47. I can't believe what I'm reading.

His choices were of equal gravity? That era? Backlash?-cuz it's your username? WT F'n F!

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. He will get what's coming to him for delaying,

But to say the Penn State community would have embraced him and patted him on his back for coming forward earlier is naive. Look what's happening now.

Sorry, but I've seen an entire community condone fraud and conspiracy, including the state attorney's office and several attorneys. When you see something like that, you know the truth about just how out of sync the world really is today.

[tblue]

34. Yep. You said it!

They all need to go.

[walerosco]

37. K&R

like garnd ma used to say "A kid at 18+ is a kid forever" The 28 yr old kid should gone straight to the police after witnessing the incident with the 10yr old.

[mac56]

39. Someone once explained to me the reason

you can fight and die in a war at age 18, but you can't buy alcohol.

It's because the qualities that make you a good soldier at 18 are the same qualities that make you a risky drinker.

Impulsiveness, and believing that you're ten feet tall and bulletproof.

Just sayin'

[12AngryBorneoWildmen]

48. Well that's stupid, too.

Those 3 qualities make you a BAD soldier. In my opinion.

[kestrel91316]

45. I was a bit understanding of McQueary's response until I learned his age.

I had thought he was maybe 23. Perhaps a bit green/sheltered/naive.

I was wrong.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

52. You are right - 12 is a kid

If he'd been 17 and had sex with a 10 year old, it still would have been wrong. I don't consider myself a prude and I think, from my own life experience, that children can be very sexual, even back in the 1950s when I was a child. But children should Never be approached sexually by adults or even by kids somewhat older. It's a question to me of undue influence. Even if a 10 year old ostensibly consents and it's technically statutory rape instead of overt physically imposed rape, it's still wrong. The idea of two children of the same age willingly having sex makes me pause to wonder what kind of parents they have but it doesn't make me cringe. I know it frequently happens and it's as old as humankind. But a 10 year old with even a somewhat older kid (for example, if the witness had seen a 15 year old with a 10 year old) I would have also found that revolting.

[Obamanaut]

56. Neither are the young men and women who are participating in the various

protests around the country, but there are some here who insist on referring to them as such.

Likewise any young adult who has reached that stage and is acting in a responsible, adult fashion should not be demeaned by being called a 'kid.'