OCCUPY PORTLAND BEING SHOWN ON CNN AGAIN!!!! THOUSANDS BEING SHOWN!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

THEY'RE STANDING OFF THE POLICE WARNINGS. THEY'RE COMPLETELY BEING PEACEFUL AND THE PRICK POLICE IS WARNING THEM FOR NOTHING!

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. This civil disobedience is SO SO important to our country.

This is the first truly important thing that has happened in DECADES. It is peaceful, and yet it's the first time the corporate media has been unable to ignore the majority.

CNN is reporting this non-stop now. It's also showing the tranquility and peace of Occupiers. And the media is forced to use MILLIONS of its advertiser's funding to report Occupy movements.

This wonderful, wonderful leaderless movement is growing. It's growing in cities, campuses, towns, everywhere. It's growing EXPONENTIALLY.

My sister said this the other day: "Corporations and their lackeys are wondering how so many people have time to protest. How could they not? Corporations have taken their jobs away and impoverished them. What have they got to lose?"

I marvel at the amazing way ALL media is now reporting Occupy Movements thorughout the nation. WE who are unable to be present at Occupy protests, must do something, make calls, write, donate what we can to wherever.

[Scuba]

2. Plus, plus, plus.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. We must make sure EVERYONE WE KNOW is well aware of what's going on with Occupy movements

WE must add ourselves to the movement, even if we can't be present, by spreading the message ourselves.

I put some quotes about the Occupy movements on my e-mail signature.

In fact, I need an extraordinary quote about it and am looking for one now.

[Scuba]

6. How about "President Obama supports OWS over Israel"? n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

7. There are many more issues to tackle. For example, there are NO jobs here now, people are HUNGRY

here, the elderly keep being threatened with reductions in Medicare, our infrastructure is falling apart at the seams, STUDENTS CAN'T GET A FRIKKIN' JOB, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum.

[Scuba]

11. Sorry, my sarcasm valve was left open. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

12. :) nt

[piratefish08]

13. he does not support OWS. no leader would - they are out to change the status quo.

in fact the next level of opposition for OWS will come from a federal level........

[Scuba]

17. It was a half-baked take-off on Michele Bachmann's stupid statement last night. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

29. Bachmann is now upset that an e-mail from CBS was leaked saying her ratings were low

:) The woman does run her mouth constantly tho! She has lots of energy on her lips.

[Scuba]

36. There's no crazy like god crazy. n/t

[Sarah Ibarruri]

38. So true! nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

20. Isn't that how it always goes with civil disobedience and revolution? The powers that be

do NOT like or want change.

[Gman]

5. What a dilemma for the corporate media

They cover the news that draws viewers and increases ratings so that the media can charge more for advertising for the corporations who caused the movement to begin with. The word ends up being spread and the corporations foot the bill for what will be their own undoing.

Pretty cool, I think

[Sarah Ibarruri]

10. Isn't it beautiful??? They're giving us MEGA-MILLIONS of dollars of free time. nt

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

8. If they don't get the hell out of the streets in 3-4 hours

then they are going to lose public support. Their right to free speech does not include the right to impede traffic. It doesn't matter to me if they wanna flood the streets at 5 am but they have no right to do that in full traffic at 8 or 9 am.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

9. You CLEARLY don't know what civil disobedience is...

"Peaceful, lawful protest -- if it is effective – is innately disruptive of "business as usual. That is why it is effective." --Naomi Wolf

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Mohamas Ghandi is the best known for his civil disobedience, which brought a radical break for India from Great Britain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

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Lastly, there IS a right in the Constitution for peaceful ASSEMBLY:

The United States constitution explicitly provides for 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'" in the First Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly

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I'm tired of people being scared of doing anything that might upset the powers that control this country. It's precisely all that fear that got us into this horrible economic situation. Time to shed that fear you're expressing. GET SOME COURAGE, FOR GOD'S SAKES!

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

15. Oh save it

Impeding the streets while some people, perhaps ER doctors and nurses (who regularly work weekends) need to get to work is hardly peaceful or organized.

There are ways to get your message across without obstructing the streets. The protesters in Zuccotti Park are doing just fine. You don't see them jumping into the street and deliberately confronting the NYPD. Regardless of what you MAY think Sarah, people who aren't part of the movement but that are sympathetic to it are going to be TURNED OFF by this move. If these protesters are still in the streets at 8 am after the police have given them repeated warnings to move then most won't be sympathetic.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. Basically, that's what civil disobedience is about. Or did you think revolutions were a garden

party? Are you crazy? Civil disobedience is civil disobedience. If you don't like it, please know that the Repukes don't either. They want things to remain the same. You can join them and they'll welcome you with open arms.

GROW SOME COURAGE!

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

21. You probably voted for Nader, didn't you?

Both times?

I wouldn't vote for that racist piece of shit ever.

I don't want to join the Republicans. Just because I don't condone street-blocking doesn't make me a Republican. I've voted Democratic my entire life, straight-party line.

This isn't a revolution, first of all. I fully expect most of the protesters to go away once the weather turns shitty.

I do know one thing, however. Making the news for clashing with police is not going to engender more public support for the movement. If you don't believe me, let's see how much news Portland gets, and then check polls on support for OWS among the American public in 2 weeks time. My guess is that support will have fallen.

You'd think that all this energy going into street-blocking would be BETTER served at volunteering for the local Obama campaign office (I'm sure there's one in Portland), which is what I'm putting MY time toward.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. Nader is a horse's ass. However, I see that even Obama is powerless to change the shit

going on in this country for the past few decades. So you know what? This unstoppable movement will change things for all of us. Already the corporate media, which previously REFUSED to broadcast anything that went against the powers-that-be, is now being forced to report this movement, which, of course, only gives it free advertisement and causes it to grow exponentially.

GROW SOME COURAGE!

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

25. You have a lot of nerve telling me to grow some courage

When did you serve?

Edit: Just because I see the futility of this and how it will ultimately backfire does not mean I lack courage.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

27. Congrats for having served, and thank you. However, at this point, you're exhibiting FEAR

It shows in what you're saying.

[bengalherder]

47. Go campaign for obama then and stop shitting up this thread.

We have other things to discuss.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

50. You mad?

nt

[Sarah Ibarruri]

19. I think you're in la-la land and don't realize this is a peaceful REVOLUTION

Repeat after me: This is a peaceful REVOLUTION.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

22. Why don't they just go to a park like Occupy St. Louis did?

The public would understand them occupying a public park, because that doesn't impede traffic. This attempt to get more media coverage (which is clearly what this is, because visible cheers went up when the protesters saw they were be covered on CNN) will backfire. We need more peaceful protesting in parks and less attention whoring.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

24. You think that civil disobedience is something that isn't meant to obstruct, don't you?

I have no idea where you get these notions. Go back and re-read again what I posted for you about civil disobedience.

OH, AND GET YOURSELF SOME COURAGE, FOR GOD'S SAKES!!! STOP BEING SUCH A TERRIFIED CREATURE!

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

26. First of all, it's offensive that you are comparing OWS to Gandhi's struggle for Indian independence

I don't lack courage. I simply see matters through a wider lens than you do.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

28. REALLY! And how is it offensive, pray tell? They got G.B. off their back.

How is it offensive, hmm? Care to elaborate?

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

30. Were you there with Gandhi when he was lying there in the streets

being beaten for protesting British brutalization? Unless you're over 100, I seriously doubt it. When OWS protesters start serving more than a night in jail like Gandhi did then I'll start to put some stock in the analogy.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

31. You obviously have never read any of Ghandi's writings recommending civil disobedience.

And now, because I think you're either off your rocker, or have some difficulty understanding basic explanations in English, I am declaring this the last explanation to you.

I strongly urge you grow some courage, and learn what civil disobedience is. Buh-bye!

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

35. I see you don't want a fair and honest debate

Could it be that you "FEAR" it? Probably not, but I don't FEAR the Occupy movement either. I simply question their priorities.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

32. India also lacked a democracy or republic through which to effect change

They were protesting brutal authoritarian rule. The solution of those in Portland seems to be to impede streets to effect change rather than trying to effect it at the voting booth. The Tea Party may be whackjobs but they understood that to get the change THEY wanted, they had to turn out and vote for their nutjob candidates. We need to do the same for OUR progressive candidates and focus on getting them ELECTED. Clashing with police in the middle of streets turns off middle of the road voters as well as a majority of liberals voters, most of whom are part of the 99%.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

34. Blocking you. nt

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

37. Just as I thought

And it has been confirmed. You FEAR debate. You fear it, Sarah. Lol.

[Downwinder]

14. It is Sunday. Who is downtown on Sunday.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

16. Oh save it

You wouldn't be opposed to it if they were doing this on Monday morning, but like I said above, ER doctors and nurses regularly work weekends, and I'm sure some of them live near downtown.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

33. Not many people except thousands for Occupy Portland. nt

[Scuba]

40. Well, as a matter of fact, they do have the right. Whether or not it's....

... a good move "public opinion wise" is a different question.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

41. It isn't,

which is why you saw them get off the street. They know that impeding traffic wouldn't exactly warm the hearts of frustrated drivers.

And they do not have the right to impede public roadways. Please direct me to some case law or a statute that would allow protesters to block traffic to make a political point. Do not cite Gandhi as someone else on here did to justify the street-blocking. I want a real citation because you claimed they would have the right to do this.

[Scuba]

42. The permit to block traffic....

... is the United States Constitution, First Amendment.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

43. You just failed

Predictable, however.

The First Amendment does not give you the right to impede the travel of others. The position consistent with the First Amendment is to allow peaceful assembly on the sidewalks to ensure that traffic is not impeded. You can't show me a single U.S. court decision that is still good law which compels your wacky interpretation of the First Amendment.

Is it your position that the protesters have the right to stay in the streets for as long as they want and if the police try to remove them then they are violating the free speech rights of the protesters? Let's get you on the record, because your interpretation of the First Amendment is strikingly different from the interpretation that I learned in law school.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

44. More:

http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/right_to_protest_brochure.pdf

"The First Amendment does not protect speech that is
combined with the violation of established laws such as
trespassing, disobeying or interfering with a lawful order by a
police officer."

"If you endanger others while protesting, you can be
arrested. A protest that blocks vehicular or pedestrian traffic
is illegal without a permit."

Where's their permit to block the street?

Here's what they can do:

"Generally, you have the right to distribute
literature, hold signs and collect petition
signatures while on sidewalks or in front of
government buildings as long as you are not
disrupting other people, forcing passersby to
accept leaflets or causing traffic problems."

Get it? I don't expect a response but we apparently have a real problem with citizens that don't understand the limits of the First Amendment. You don't have a right to block traffic on public streets and you don't have a right to protest on private property unless you have permission of the owner.

[Scuba]

45. I stand corrected. Thanks. n/t

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[Sarah Ibarruri]

4. EACH OF US MUST BE THE VEHICLE THAT SPREADS THE MESSAGE

WE OWE THIS TO OUR COUNTRY.

[LiberalEsto]

39. Amen to that!

[Fire Walk With Me]

49. K&R!

[Poll_Blind]

51. Live KGW link here + KGW (in the crowd) is reporting PEACFUL protesters

http://www.kgw.com/live-stream">View live here

PB