Portland: The police are trying to break Occupy Portland right now

[emsimon33]

Source: Live Feed from Occupy Portland

The protesters have identified a man with a weapon and keep requesting that the police arrest him but so far the police are doing nothing.

Join the live feed so that the Portland police know that the eyes of the world are watching!

http://occupyportland.org/livestreammedia/

Read more: http://occupyportland.org/livestreammedia/

[Sarah Ibarruri]

1. God, I love these people. I love them. They are amazing. nt

[Fire Walk With Me]

2. The police don't understand that this is about US taking back our power.

Getting in the way of an abused people taking back their power is a terrible idea, however, part of this power is the power of peace, the power of love. But it will not be denied.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

3. Blocking the streets again

Call me a concern troll all you want but this is just going to piss Americans off. STOP BLOCKING THE STREETS AND LET TRAFFIC PASS.

Also, fuck the police for pushing some of them into the street.

[kestrel91316]

4. You don't understand the concept of civil DISobedience.

You want civil OBEDIENCE. That, of course, has failed us time and time again.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

5. Tell me like someone else did how this is protected by the First Amendment

This behavior is illegal.

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[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

7. You've only posted twice in this thread

nt

[kestrel91316]

9. Wow. You can count. Too bad you cannot READ. The concept of civil

DISobedience is apparently beyond you.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

11. I'm pretty sure that I have more education than you do ,

so I seriously doubt that. In addition, I work as a public defender. I am part of the 99%. I am not allied with the anarchists that have seemingly taken over this protest, however.

[AngkorWot]

28. "The concept of civil disobedience is beyond you."

Is it beyond you too? Because the concept of civil disobedience is that the police arrest you for it.

[kestrel91316]

8. If you want to live someplace where people have no right to express their unhappiness,

go to NORTH KOREA.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

10. It looks like some of the protesters want us to live in a society like that one

No thanks.

Express your disapproval on public sidewalks and in public parks and in the voting booth. Blocking the streets makes you persona non grata in my book.

I don't think you realize how many Americans are turned off by this crap.

[Poll_Blind]

12. Martin Luther King, Jr. used to block streets by marching down them.Now they name streets after him.

Pretty low bar you set for people to become persona non grata. I have a feeling you don't have a much higher approval for those on the sidewalks, either.

PB

[Zorra]

20. The NWP women that got the 19th Amendment passed went to jail for

"OBSTRUCTNG TRAFFIC"! LOL.

The were horribly mistreated in jail. Woodrow Wilson finally gave up and threw his support behind the 19th Amendment (this amendment gave women the right to vote)

Po-jama people never change anything. It's always the fearless, the do-ers, ike the NWP and MLK and OWS that cause constructive change.
;-)

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

24. Don't compare this to MLK's struggle

The civil rights protesters were fighting to equal rights and against racism -- there's not even a clear and cogent message here.

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[TheKentuckian]

31. Economic fairness and government capture are no less important and harder to combat.

These issues bought Dr King a bullet and have purchased much death and destruction around the globe.

[nadinbrzezinski]

35. Lemme see

Economic justice

Getting money out of politics, and the corporations out of politics

Medical care for all

And the return of glass Steagal.

They are part of OWS and that's just top of head. Perhaps you'd do good to physically go dwn to a local occupy and ask questions instead of letting the MSM dictate the narrative for you. Oh and this is very comparable to every other social justice movement that came before it. And like every other movement it was demonized by the powerful of the age.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

37. I have been to my local Occupy protest.

It consists of 2 tents and 10 protesters.

[PETRUS]

13. Civil disobedience.

Breaking laws and subjecting oneself to arrest is a proven tactic. It's also true that public opinion is paramount. You're right, there is a danger that people will develop unfavorable impressions if things are planned poorly (or not planned at all). That's why activists need to chose their actions and timing carefully. So far the underlying message of OWS is resonating strongly even though occasional actions have been briefly disruptive to ordinary lives.

[TomClash]

14. How many protesters are pro-North Korea or anarchists?

Not very many. At Occupy Portland they were asking the police to arrest a man with a weapon. Hardly anarchist behavior.

Would you approve of the street protests if Occupy Portland had a permit from the local authorities?

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

22. If they had a permit to block the streets,

I would approve

[TomClash]

15. How many protesters are pro-North Korea or anarchists?

Not very many. At Occupy Portland they were asking the police to arrest a man with a weapon. Hardly anarchist behavior.

Would you approve of the street protests if Occupy Portland had a permit from the local authorities?

[MADem]

21. Elizabeth Warren, whose intellect fueled much of the thought process behind OWS, said

just two days ago, on Boston's Channel 5, on an interview program that "People HAVE TO OBEY THE LAW."

I agree with you--this "civil disobedience" shit is going over like a lead balloon. It's a stupid game that doesn't "advance the ball." The points people are trying to make are LOST.

And speaking of losing, if Elizabeth Warren loses to that turd Scott Brown, I will hold the "civil disobeyers" who find fighting with the cops more important than prosecuting an agenda of economic parity and social justice to blame.

I feel as though they are squandering an enormous opportunity, as well as a surfeit of goodwill.

That's my opinion, and I'll probably get roasted for it, but oh, well.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

23. I 100% agree with you

And I think that some protesters as well as some posters have a very different end goal in mind:

Making President Obama look bad.

[TheKentuckian]

30. What does "civil disobedience" mean to you? Why did you put it into quotes?

You and your buddy sound like those that called those in the civil rights movement, "agitators" to me but I'm not exactly sure where you are coming from here but your comment about "fighting the cops" when clearly few to none are trying to do any such thing makes me think my gut isn't too far off base.

[MADem]

32. I put it in quotes because people are batting it around on this thread like an object.

It doesn't mean fucking with/baiting pissed-off, hyped-up cops who are getting overtime for sport, in mindless midnight rallies that no one save a few thousand die-hards (in a world of seven billion) see on grainy video.

"Occupying" parks and making them unusable for the rest of the 99 percent who might want to let their kid toss a ball around, or have a picnic? I think it's starting to get stupid. It was a great attention-getter initially, now, it's starting to get just lame. You sure aren't depriving the one percent of anything when you "occupy" a public recreational space--hell, they have huge front lawns with big gates and fences--they don't need a fucking "park" -- they have their own and a gardner to make it look all nice and pretty.

If people carrying signs that said "PASS THE STOCK ACT" (proposed by Louise Slaughter/shot down by Congress for the past five years) did a sit-in at every congressman's and senator's office, I'd call THAT civil disobedience, and a protest with a PURPOSE. Standing in the street late at night, blocking traffic and then getting mad when you get hit by a car on a dark street? That's just bullshit.

Let me put my standard caveat in here, because I know what's coming (waaaaaaahh...you HATE OWS!!! Waaaaaah...you're a concern troll, etc.). I do NOT hate OWS. I am a fervent supporter of issues that prioritize social justice, economic parity, and fairness for all Americans. I am very worried that the American middle class is contracting and not expanding. I am an ardent supporter of Elizabeth Warren for Senate, and I will work my ass off to get her elected.

Elizabeth Warren says "People have to obey the law" in conjunction with OWS, and I agree with her.

That said, I think all this Sixties-Retro shit--down to ripping off the music--is LAME. A new paradigm is needed. This is NOT 1968, this is 2011. We don't have eight to ten years to fuck around with protests. Something needs to happen NOW, and SOON. Fighting over tents in parks is not the way to do it. Ripping off thirty grand in well meaning OWS donations so that twenty OWS NYC elites can jet off to sunny Cairo, Egypt for a "monitoring" holiday is NOT the way to do it.

And take that 'buddy' shit and put it where it belongs. Insinuation of that sort says more about you than anything else. I don't even know that person. You can also stow that racially tinged, mendacious accusation that I might call civil rights activists "agitators"--a dispicable suggestion you make without any shame or embarrassment. How pathetic.

I got disappointing news for you, pal--I am old enough to have marched in civil rights protests, and I did. Where were you?

You definitely have a "gut" problem--you're lacking them, you make false accusations without knowing anything about people, and you think you are the only person on the planet with a decent idea.

[NOMOREDRUGWAR]

36. Thanks. I completely agree with all the points you raised.

You did a great job shutting down all of his arguments.

[TheKentuckian]

38. You walked into your own accusations and never once have I suggested I am the only person with

a decent idea, that is also a product of you hostile yet paranoid imagination.

Not all that called King an agitator were racist, many that were sympathetic to the cause also felt he was prodding the bear too much and risked alienating those that might see the light with protests that too often put them on the wrong end of the law.

Yes, something needs to happen soon but there are few paths to real change from here that are fast. Certainly, piddling around going through the motions of electing captured politicians isn't going to turn the ship on a dime either and arguably never will.

This thing is evolving, where it will and can lead to is not knowable in a few weeks or months but it is where the real potential for moving the needle out of the current grove is.
Where I actually see your motivations is a laser like focus on quick, clean, and easy. Lack of disruption seems to trump change and your faith remains intact in "the system" when others reasonably see it as rotted at the root and ever working toward the collection of power and resources into the hands of the few. Even Warren is a tinkerer at heart, she appears to believe that post-war, pre-Reagan economics is possible and sustainable, which is a faith based position that at its heart is devoted to maintaining the established order, the same one that fights equality, the will of the people, and to oppress and extract from the poor the whole time it has existed.
The system, like most, is designed to be a system of control not a means to free in a structured fashion. It is functioning as designed and as such will not save us, we will have to get way outside the box and sacrifice will be required. If you rankle at an occupied park you have signed up long term for the status quo. Disruption on a scale that would throw you into a rage will be required. Bad shit will happen to good people.

The American people have a tremendous tolerance for broken eggs things like collateral damage and insurgents don't phase us in the least even for omelets that we won't get a bite of but woe be unto him that threatens to potentially crack one of ours precious eggs, no matter how many we have, even for our own breakfast.

If I was testy with you or judgmental it is for a simple reason, you come with the same message as the oppressors and their minions "You made your point, now go home and stop bothering folks".
When you come with the latest establishment talking point as the thrust of your message it deserves push back of some kind.

[FirstLight]

16. feeds down!

who knows what's up? i am scouring twitter...

[Poll_Blind]

17. These two high-quality feeds are still up and LIVE: (LINKS)

http://www.kgw.com/live-stream">KGW (high quality but signal breaking up a bit- but has better shots, currently)
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/live/default.aspx">KOIN (much higher quality and a bit more stable)

PB

[Fire Walk With Me]

26. Thanks for the KOIN feed!

[maddezmom]

18. here is another one

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

[FirstLight]

19. how many times do they repeat the recording...?

before they move?

the whole city block is packed full, they can;t fit on the sidewalks!

[MedleyMisty]

29. I want to dedicate this song to the brave Portland occupiers :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8txhtB2e5M

They've got la rage. :)

[deutsey]

33. What is currently going on?

I was following this occupy earlier this morning, but don't know what's happening now.

[ChiciB1]

34. Have Been Watching On & Off For Quite Some Time Now... OWS Portland

is fighting the GOOD fight!!!