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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:30 AM
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SCREENSHOTS: Police Are DESTROYING $1000s of Laptops, Cameras, Donations
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 02:42 AM by Hissyspit
Despite protesters being told they could retrieve belongings.

http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc

"Almost wouldn't let us in to retrieve a dog, a pet..."







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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:31 AM
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1. Fucking pigs - n/t
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:32 AM
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2. maybe it is time for a nationwide boycottof NYC nt
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:35 AM
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3. Not just a boycott
Sue the fuckers until they're broke
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trueblue2007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:02 PM
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26. sounds good 2 me
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:08 PM
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39. oh, no
we should all converge on NYC. not to stay in the hotels, not to eat in the restaurants, not to take in a show, but to OCCUPY WALL STREET.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:41 AM
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6. fucking GOVERNMENT
Anyone that believes this is just all loads of cops behaving badly simultaneously at almost every single protest site, think again.

The police do not and have never operated without the government flipping on their "on" switches and pointing them in the desired direction.


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truth2power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:45 PM
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62. As Michael Moore said, "Coordinated at the Federal level." Thanks, Obama. n/t
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DallasNE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:38 PM
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65. The Mayor Of Oakland Has Admitted
That she was on a teleconference with 18 Mayors to discuss Occupy Wall Street protests. In other words, these were coordinated attacks across the nation. Obviously, the corporate sponsors of these Mayors were calling in their chits by demanding coordinated action and we just saw the results.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:00 AM
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68. +100000 Anyone who does not see this by now
either has not been paying attention or is complicit.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:26 AM
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21. Every fascist regime has its collaborators. nt
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 06:32 PM
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50. This is precisely how they got that name
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Maraya1969 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:40 AM
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4. Cameras and other electrical devices are our ammunition
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:58 AM
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13. Damn right: Facebook, Twitter and YouTube are the revolution's heavy artillery.
And they know it and we know it. And we know that they know it, because tonight they officially admitted it.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:40 AM
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5. piles of tents:
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:39 AM
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73. ...
:mad:
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:10 AM
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7. How is that legal, to destroy people's belongings?
I hope they get a massive lawsuit over that.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:14 AM
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9. Oh you are getting teary eyed over the Fourth Amendment?
:-)

Yes, it is.

But as we learned from Minneapolis the other night. it is academic at this point.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:36 AM
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11. I know, why do they think this is OK?
I guess because they get away with it. Damn, I hope they all sue, I hope they have the right to sue for their belongings.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:24 PM
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59. Small claims would take forever. It would seem logical
for a branch of government to protect the rights of it's citizens. OWS is not going gently...
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technotwit Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:56 AM
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70. lawsuit
Homeless people in Fresno won a few million in a federal lawsuit over the city destroying their possessions in a "clean up" operation of their tent city.
http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news/local&id=6190441
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:11 AM
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8. K&R!
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:15 AM
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10. They're trying to impose a media blackout and also break the protesters down.
They can't get rid of cell phone cameras very easily though, but they can easily destroy things like laptops and larger cameras that aren't as portable as something that you can fit into your pocket.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 03:37 AM
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12. Huge mistake, Mayor Bloomberg!
You and your liberal mayor friends in Oakland and St. Louis and Portland have just radicalized a generation.

Good heavens! I would never have thought these guys could be so stupid. To just trash the few belongings that these demonstrators have.

Bloomberg and his friends are responsible for everything that happens here out.

It does not take much social intelligence to understand that people who already feel defeated, who are already in a state of grief, will feel very angry if their noses are pushed yet further into the dirt.

You offer hope to the disillusioned, not a push to their knees.

I really expected Bloomberg to be a bit smarter than that.

What and arrogant egomaniac.

The powers that be, like Bloomberg and his friends, know that they have everything to lose at this point.

What they don't understand is that our American dollar has always been the trusted, reserve currency not because we are such a rich country in terms of gold and wealth. We are not, in fact, the wealthiest country per capita in that sense.

Our currency is so valued because of the stability of our social and governmental institutions.

If the Bloombergs, out of sheer greed, risk the social stability, the social fabric of our society, the sense that we are, in the end, all in this together, poor and rich, the social stability, the sense of responsibility one for another will be completely lost.

OWS is a warning -- that the social stability is cracking, is giving way under the increasingly widespread poverty in the country.

OWS was and outlet for the pent-up frustration. It gave protestors at least the illusion of power, of the ability to do something about their plight.

The right thing for Bloomberg to have done would have been to go to the protestors and, instead of looking at the noise, the confusion and the anger, to have said, "Yes. You are right. Wall Street is responsible for this mess because of their derivatives trading. Yes. The Banks have acted irresponsibly and should be trying to help support the housing market. They should not kick people out of their homes if foreclosure can possibly be avoided. After all, when they foreclose on a family, they humiliate the family. Divorces, child abuse and in some cases nervous breakdowns and suicide result.

And here is how you can help. I'd like to ask for contingents of volunteers from OWS to go out to these city community projects and help kids, help homeless adults, etc.

A smart mayor would have looked at the organizational ability of the OWS protestors and included the kids in solving the city's problems.

This was an enormous mistake, one for which Bloomberg and America will pay dearly.

Same in the other cities.

And why did this happen? Because the mayors are too frightened of the people to sit with them and treat them with respect.

The City of NY could have bought lunch for volunteers for city charities for far less than it paid to evict OWS.

Somebody wants a job and you offer them pepper spray. Not smart.

And of course OWS was angry. But Bloomberg is mayor because he knows how to deal with angry people. That's no excuse.
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:01 AM
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14. +1
over 20,000 people watching too. and another 7000 on globalrevolution. I have a feeling Keith is going to let loose big time about this on tomorrow's ep of Countdown. I wouldn't be surprised to see a special comment and Michael Moore as a guest - both have been tweeting about this all night.
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socialist_n_TN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:58 PM
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35. Two things: 1) The governments are just the paid for toadies
of the capitalists of Wall Street and the world. I personally didn't expect them to react any differently. And 2) RE: radicalization, the best recruiters for Marxism are the capitalists. They will ALWAYS overreach in these situations. They can't help themselves, it's part of the system to try and crush ANY resistance TO the system. And they use their hirelings in government to do the crushing. But make no mistake, the ORDERS came FROM Wall Street.
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MedicalAdmin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 05:59 PM
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48. Very true
"Our currency is so valued because of the stability of our social and governmental institutions."

Have you considered that the rich are leveraged against a strong US currency, that they are, in fact, betting against the USA and doing everything they can to see us lose our reserve currency status because then their hedges will pay off.

The 1%, almost without exception, are traitors to the nation, and should be treated as such.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 05:45 AM
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15. Supplies for homeless destroyed, supplies for occupiers' pets destroyed.
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 05:50 AM by Hissyspit
Some pets MAY have been separated from owners.
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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:10 AM
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16. Kick nt
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:11 AM
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17. Nov. 17 - thursday - Day of Action (from occupy website)
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backtoblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:18 AM
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18. K & R
What a mob of mind-controlled assholes!!!

It's kind of symbolic of the way wall street has shamelessly crashed our economy...
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:21 AM
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19. Stasi ambitions, NYPD?

nt

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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:25 AM
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20. K&R n.t
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:27 AM
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22. K & R
:grr:
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:29 AM
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dupe
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 10:26 AM by UnrepentantLiberal
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UnrepentantLiberal Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:29 AM
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23. They didn't need more than 4 cops patrolling that park from day one.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:32 AM
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24. Go, Hissyspit!
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 12:59 PM
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25. Where's all the pork defenders now?
Even murderers don't have their property destroyed like this when they're arrested.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:02 PM
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27. Wouldn't we be arrested if we did that?
I mean, I thought destruction of private property was a crime.
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a simple pattern Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:10 PM
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28. Only if it's corporate property.
Then it's terrorism.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:45 PM
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32. But corporations are people
Or so Mitt says.
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xiamiam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:29 PM
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29. what is their excuse for the total destruction of personal belongings
i watched many of the police thugs smiling as they destroyed these things. Sadistic and punitive on top of everything else.
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Amonester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:56 PM
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67. They only made themselves look like fascist thugs to....
The Whole World Watching.

And guess what: they LOST (again). :)
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:12 AM
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71. Why ask when you already know? "Sadistic and punitive"
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THobbes Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:36 PM
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30. God Bless Modedrn Technology....it is exactly what we needed to bring these bastards to their knees
And as soon as we get rid of the assholes, we can use our technological genius to put an end to their dinosaur technology that is destroying our earth.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:43 PM
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31. I really don't understand how
Cops can be above the law. There are going to be law suits, but if the 1% own the judges, how is this going to turn out? In their favor,... that's how Bush/Cheney got off.. we are no longer a country that obeys its laws, they (Those in charge) just make up their own.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:15 PM
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40. bush and cheney were never charged.
they may have been sued here and there.
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RoccoR5955 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 08:22 PM
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55. Cops are above the law, because they ARE the law
At least that's their attitude.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:51 PM
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33. Enraging info from a friend on Facebook:
Bloomberg said this a.m. that people can go pick up their stuff that was taken from the park last night from the Sanitation Dept. garage on the west side. But the Sanit crews were told to treat it all as trash and they dumped and destroyed much of it including not only the OWS Library >5k of books but all the medical supplies in the med tent. I've heard people who were there last night say the garbage men were taking things home saying "this would just go to the landfill if I didn't take it" when told it was private property.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:36 PM
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36. speechless
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:55 PM
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37. Video:
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:16 PM
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41. outrageous.
so wrong. aargh
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:54 PM
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44. I'm heartsick.
:wtf: is wrong with the majority of people in this country. Can't they see. Don't they realize that something is horribly wrong?

I've always thought that it would take a complete collapse before people face the cold hard fact that our society is only an illusion of democracy. Just like what was depicted in the movie The Matrix or They!.

It also seems that these assaults are coordinated across state lines and designed to demoralize and impart fear.

We need more people involved and less people pointing their fingers to the newspaper articles or tv screen while saying "them" rather than "us".

:cry:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:53 PM
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34. Amy read the flyer on camera where the pigs said
people could retrieve their property with ID.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:07 PM
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38. the BASTARDS
it makes my blood boil. they didn't have to do that!
and it's gonna cost the city a hell of a lot more money than letting the protest continue peacefully ever would.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:44 PM
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42. In Oakland, cops say they removed "278 tons of debris"...
when they destroyed and wiped out the Occupy protest there on Monday.

Today in NYC, Bloomberg claims, "Protesters have had two months to occupy the park with tents and sleeping bags. Now they will have to occupy the space with the power of their arguments."

Both cities are now trying to claim that the safety of first responders was severely jeopardized by such Occupy encampments...bet that will be their first defense, if these raids ever see an attempt at justice or restitution for the protesters.

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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 04:47 PM
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43. Does that figure include spent tear gas canisters and "Flash-Boom" debris?
Those beanbag rounds and "rubber" bullet's aren't light, either.
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countryjake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 05:39 PM
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46. Probably not, I'd expect them to try and retrieve evidence such as that...
just in case, ya know.

I know some woman was freaking this morning over a dog whose owner could not get back in to it bring out. I've been wondering if that pet was compacted along with all of the other "debris", or taken to a pound. Only was able to spot it once during the Livestreams and haven't heard a thing since the pet was first mentioned.

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TheUnspeakable Donating Member (960 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 05:02 PM
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45. just got this Orwell quote from Chris Hedges
article in this thread



George Orwell wrote that all tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but that once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.We have now entered the era of naked force.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 05:46 PM
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47. Grrr... K & R !!!
:mad:

:nuke:

:wtf:

:kick:
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 06:30 PM
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49. Brown Shirts.
This happened before. It did not turn out well.
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proReality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 06:44 PM
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51. K&R
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 06:48 PM by proReality
Edited to add: They are hoping for a violent reaction from Occupy so they have a real excuse to discredit and beat the movement down.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 07:11 PM
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52. This is what they warned us about in grade school.
Totalitarianism and fascism.

I'm beginning to think that there is a segment of the boomer generation that are just deranged.

How else can you explain the corporate cronyism that was spawned in the 80s?
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Lena inRI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 07:51 PM
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53. C R Y S T A L N A C H T . . . .11.15.11
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:05 PM
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58. now #OWS knows they need their sewers to add pockets to their clothes
bags can be taken away easier, built in pockets are better.
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davidthegnome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 08:13 PM
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54. I ashamed but...
not terribly surprised. They can keep sending their goons until dooms day, but we'll keep coming back. No matter how much they destroy.
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FunMe Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:00 PM
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56. Sounds like Homeland "Security" is helping cities do this
Disgusting! What if a foreign country really wants to attack us? They will probably get away with it as our country is fighting its own citizens. SHAME.

Update: 'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials

http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-occupy-crackdowns-aided-by-federal-law-enforcement-agencies

"Over the past ten days, more than a dozen cities have moved to evict "Occupy" protesters from city parks and other public spaces. As was the case in last night's move in New York City, each of the police actions shares a number of characteristics. And according to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies."
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:02 PM
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64. The homeland security types that I have known
are pretty clueless anyway. They are just an extension of the Fascist police state. Most of them are the American Tali ban except when it comes to their personal lives. Then are narcissistic hedonists.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:02 PM
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57. Ugly. nt
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:35 PM
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60. Sue, sue, sue, sue, and sue!
And more sue.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:42 PM
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61. It's fair to say there is a war. Whose side is the president on? nm
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deutsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:58 PM
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63. It made me physically ill when I saw this...and it's strengthened my resolve
to get more involved with OWS.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:53 PM
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66. This is blatant criminality. So much for law and order. REC. nt
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:02 AM
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69. Our government has taken sides against its own citizens.
It is going to get worse before it gets better.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 01:28 AM
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72. Facilitators of fascism.
Bastards.
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Dawson Leery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:13 AM
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74. There is no honor in the police uniform.
Break their unions!
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