Bottom line is if the protesters do not want to be evicted from PRIVATE property ....

[Tx4obama]

they need to move their encampment to PUBLIC property.


Edited to fix typo
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[quinnox]

1. lol, you got a typo in that post

I suggest changing it to "public"

[Tx4obama]

4. LOL, thanks :)

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[slay]

2. I'm a big fan of PUBIC property

:rofl:

[LAGC]

delete.

dupe.

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[PETRUS]

Liberty/Zuccotti Park is a "privately owned public space."

In exchange for concessions from the city related to nearby projects, the developer is required to keep the park open to the public 24 hours a day.

[LAGC]

3. PUBIC property IS private property!

[mmonk]

17. LOL. Yep.

[aquart]

5. If they want to evict the public, they need to remove the top of their building.

This is an air rights park. They're reneging? Dandy. Bring in the wreckers.

I don't know what property is in tiny Texas towns, but NYC is trickier.

[Tx4obama]

self delete, dupe. n/t

[Tx4obama]

6. tiny Texas towns? Guess you've never been to downtown Houston or Dallas n/t

[aquart]

7. So easy.

[MFrohike]

8. Protip:

It's private property that is a public forum. That is not remotely the same thing as the commonly (mis)understood idea of private property.

[Norrin Radd]

9. Fuck private property parks. All of this country was stolen, originally, anyway.

[Hissyspit]

10. FAIL

Zucotti is by law private land set aide for public use.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/14/nyregion/zuccotti-park-is-privately-owned-but-open-to-the-public.html

Perhaps most important, from the perspective of a long-term protest like Occupy Wall Street, Zuccotti Park — unlike city-owned parks — is open 24 hours a day. Private parks and plazas that were developed under the original zoning rules governing them are generally open around the clock, while those created under more recent rules may close from dusk to dawn. About half of the privately owned plazas are required to be open 24 hours a day, according to the Department of City Planning.

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The laws generally give real estate developers zoning concessions in exchange for public space. There are now at least 520 such parks, arcades and plazas in New York City, both indoors and out, providing a total of 3.5 million square feet of space.

Zuccotti is unusual in that it does not adjoin the 54-story office tower, 1 Liberty Plaza, that spawned it. Rather, it is bounded on all four sides by streets: Broadway, Trinity Place, and Cedar and Liberty Streets.

And while the developer did not win the right to build a larger structure in exchange for the park, it was given leeway on certain height and setback restrictions, according to Jerold S. Kayden, a lawyer and professor of urban planning and design at Harvard University.

[lunatica]

11. Boy are you on a roll with doing your best to make OWS look bad

They've been setting up camp on public property about 99% of the time.

[handmade34]

12. possibly....

so much "private property" is one of the serious problems we have here in the United States...

[MannyGoldstein]

13. This just in: American Revolution was ILLEGAL

The British have the right to take us back, and execute our politicians for TREASON.

[closeupready]

19. You make fun, but how many times do UK commentators on the US call us an 'experiment'?

That's a pet peeve of mine, as if the US is just a petri dish - that (I guess) lucked into winning WWII.

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[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Public city parks close at dusk in NYC by statute

There is even a specific violation in the code for this: you receive a desk appearance ticket called "in the park after dark."

I've received numerous such tickets during the Giuliani "quality of life" crackdown." They're quite real, and enforced when the city wants to enforce them, and generally not otherwise.

The brilliance of using Zucotti Park was that it doesn't close at dusk by statute.

[JackRiddler]

18. Yes, since the citywide parks crackdowns and TSP police riots of 1988-1989. Used to be no curfew.

TSP = Tompkins Square Park

[alcibiades_mystery]

20. In the park after dark was actually on the books before that

It was just never enforced.

It's one of those statutes that is enforced selectively: TSP being one case of selective enforcement.

Giuliani turned "in the park after dark" into a major plank of the "broken windows" policing, since it was quite common for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers to hang out in parks after nightfall. The incidents of "in the park after dark" citation climbed some ridiculous amount (on the order of 5000%) in 1994 when Giuliani instructed the NYPD to enforce it citywide, and especially in the outer boros, where park culture was rampant. Queens and Brooklyn violations court were flooded with "in the park after dark" cases.

[JackRiddler]

21. All true but the curfew in practice was imposed for the first time in 1988...

for all parks, prompting protests at TSP and leading to the TSP police riot of August 6, 1988. Before that, you had open parks everywhere in the city. The police state paradigm for New York really got going under Koch, and this was perhaps the most important of all steps. After this, TSP was the only park not under the nighttime curfew. Many weeks of protests at Washington Square Park failed to open up WSP. TSP was subsequently the site of massive confrontations over homeless encampments and whether or not a piece of plastic could be put on a stick. Believe me, I remember all of this personally and it was very much a precursor to today's fight over Zucotti Park. TSP was eventually put under night-time curfewed after the third or fourth police riot on Memorial Day in (I think) 1991, which was the first time that the blame was successfully shifted to the protesters rather than the cops. Then TSP was shut down altogether for many months of renovation, which among other things raised all the fences and destroyed the bandshell (all measures designed to make future protests more difficult). The reopening was accompanied by the enforcement of many new rules, and TSP became the mostly yuppie haven it now is today. This last part happened under Dinkins. So don't imagine Giuliani was the sole originator of the modern New York City police state -- he did bring it to unprecedented heights and brutality (what kind of mentality does it take to ban DANCING?!). That is no more true than thinking Bush Jr. invented US wars of aggression and imperialism.

[woo me with science]

16. ....

:eyes:

[frylock]

22. lemme guess, you're one of those liberal democrats i've been reading about

[Rex]

25. LAWL!

:thumbsup:

[Modern_Matthew]

23. MIC CHECK! You are full of shit. The world is ours, not to be divvied up. That is not freedom. nt

[Freddie Stubbs]

24. Or private property that allows you there

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. And in the water is wet department

And what you care, this ain't gonna help Obama. This just became a civil rights fight. I hope you can understand that.