'Categorically incorrect': Special Ops Commander brands book on raid that killed bin Laden a lie

[bigtree]

15th November 2011

The U.S. military hit out at the man who wrote a book describing the 'real' version of the Navy SEAL raid that killed Osama bin Laden, branding it 'a lie' and 'far off the mark'.

U.S. Special Operations Command spokesman Col Tim Nye said the military would never usually go after an author and brand him a liar but their actions show 'how far off the mark we believe this book is'.

He said: 'It's just not true. It's not how it happened.'

Nye said McRaven was concerned the book would lead Americans to doubt the administration's version of events. He also disputed Pfarrer's portrayal of friction between the CIA and the military special operations forces who carried out the raid.

'We have never come forward and gone after an author and say that is a lie,' Nye said. 'That tells you how far off the mark we believe this book is.'


read more (good detail, specific denials): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2061799/Osama-bin-Laden-death-raid-Tim-Nye-calls-Chuck-Pfarrer-book-categorically-incorrect.html

[Poll_Blind]

1. Disinfo on the top 20. That's so messed up. nt

PB

[Swede]

14. He sounds like a birther,kinda looks like one,too.

[jmowreader]

19. He looks like one of our Sovereign Citizens

I'm sorry, but that guy doesn't look like any of the Special Operations guys I've ever seen, and I've seen a bunch.

[monmouth]

2. Another take on this..

http://news.yahoo.com/spec-ops-command-seal-raid-book-lie-090244352.html

[patrice]

3. Truth does not matter anymore. It is intentionally subverteted for profit > political advantage. nt

[Myrina]

4. "book would lead Americans to doubt the administration's version "

hmmmm ..... :tinfoilhat:

[Peace Patriot]

5. There are so MANY lies from our government for SO LONG now--

--with the "Big Lie" curve going off the charts starting on 11/22/63, and not even being chartable after that--what are we to make of this dispute?

How about this? The lying has become so pervasive and so sophisticated that entire "disputes" (like this one) are manufactured to give credibility to the underlying "Big Lie." We have to guess at what that is. Could be that Osama bin Laden died long ago and somebody else's body was dumped into the ocean to destroy the evidence. Could be that Osama bin Laden was on the Bush Cartel payroll all along as the post-9/11 ikon and a war arose within our deep, dark, secret political establishment (of which we saw only the "tip of the iceberg"--Cheney/Rumsfeld outing CIA agents, etc.), and the anti-Cheney/Rumsfeld forces won, thus their minion, OBL, had to be removed (possibly because he knew too much).

I don't know. The whole thing SMELLS TO HIGH HEAVEN. And what I'm reminded of, is Faux News political shouting matches, wherein the Faux 'dispute' is whether or not Barack Obama has a valid birth certificate, or how much Social Security and Medicare have to be squeezed, looted and destroyed to fund bankster bailouts and corporate resource wars (um, to "balance the budget").

A carefully crafted "dispute." Neither "side" of the "dispute" has any relation to reality.

Just to note: There is a whole lot of "tip of the iceberg" evidence that there was indeed an internal war, which started with the Cheney/Rumsfeld outings of the CIA WMD counter-proliferation unit, gained fury (deep in the background) around the time of Katrina, and ended with Rumsfeld being ousted in 2006, although I have interpreted that evidence to conclude that the "war" was mostly about nuking Iran. Bush Sr opposed it, and combined with military brass who also opposed it. Leon Panetta, a member of Bush Sr's "old CIA" 'Iraq Study Group,' then was installed at the CIA and now at the Pentagon, to heal the wounds from that internal war. If true, then we are seeing the aftermath--i.e., there may still be disgruntled forces and internal disputes going on, of which what to do with OBL, or what myth to endorse or to create, is one example.

[bigtree]

6. one book

. . . a plethora of denials, from outside and inside the military.

One loose nut 'shouting' nonsense . . . no dispute. The author is just lying.

[Peace Patriot]

7. How do you know that "the author is just lying"?

You think that our Corporate/War Profiteer government and the Pentagon have more--or, indeed, ANY--credibility?

How do you come to this conclusion?

Really, seriously, I am asking you this question. How do you judge the congenital liars in our government vs this author?

I think that it is beyond naive to assume that our government--and most especially "the military-industrial complex" embedded in our government--is NOT lying. To understand anything that they are doing, and to get at the truth, as well as we can, I think that the working assumption must be that they ARE lying. I should think that the Iraq War was a sufficient lesson in the pervasive lying by virtually EVERYONE in our political establishment, to get a basic understanding of how our government works and WHO it is working FOR, no matter which "party" seems to be in charge. But there have been hard lessons in this reality for many decades, as well as lessons on other current issues (for instance, the lie that Social Security, Medicare, education and other social programs need to be slashed because there is no money, when all our hard-earned tax dollars are funding bankster bailouts, corporate resource wars and tax cuts for the rich!).

You've made this quick assumption that "the author is lying," but are not skeptical of the Pentagon story?

I bend the other way. The author is probably on to something. Maybe he doesn't know the whole story but he knows that something is wrong with the story they've told. I'm willing to give him a chance--to read his book, to evaluate it as fairly as I can. And I have been burnt too often, and too severely, by the Pentagon, the CIA and the entire "MIC" and their political servants in government to give them ANY benefit of the doubt. They lie! That is what they do!

[bigtree]

8. well, let us know where you come down on this

I'm going with the author is lying and President Obama told the truth.

[grantcart]

15. I am going with the author is lying AND trying to personally profit

On the actions of others.

'Former Seal'?

This. guy looks more unlike a former seal than anyone I have ever seen.

Commenters on the thread who doubt the commanders clear comments mainly because
He is in the military fail to explain why someone who is EX military, bigt supporter of the macho military mystique, AND is trying to personally profit from the courage of others would be a more reliable source especially since he disclosed no quotable sources.

[bigtree]

16. you said it well

I regard the forces involved in these sort of raids as representative among the best our country has to offer in terms of our national defense; extremely dedicated. The descriptions and dialog in the book must really have galled them.

[grantcart]

20. Seals are also committed to anonymity and keeping their actions

even their successes quiet. They look down on receiving personal medals and recognition.

Anyone who knows a real SEAL would have difficulty believing ANY leaking, but this particular one didn't pass the laugh test, why this book was not seriously reviewed by people in the field.

[nadinbrzezinski]

12. Free clue on why this is a lie

All members of SEAL TEAM essentially have a lifetime gag order. He talked to seals on this specific thing in his imagination.

This one is actually easy to call.

[DefenseLawyer]

9. Four-Leaf Tayback?

[SpiralHawk]

10. Wow - darkside Republicon MisInfo

some skeezey skankey shit (R) going down here...

[nadinbrzezinski]

11. Sun rises in east

[Swede]

13. This guy is selling a book.

He is lying to sell his book.

[TheKentuckian]

17. Maybe so but it doesn't mean the government is telling the truth.

I would agree with a poster above, it should be assumed the government is lying. Double that when we are discussing military matters.

[Old and In the Way]

18. Did Jerome Corsi write the forward?

Sure smells like it.