NYPD, Syrian state police, Mubarak's police, Gaddafi's thugs, Gestapo. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

[backscatter712]

I can't tell anymore.

[Modern_Matthew]

1. +1 There is no difference. nt

[atreides1]

2. There is one difference

With the NYPD and other American police forces, you don't get disappeared...YET!!!

[backscatter712]

3. Not if you're white. n/t

[Vincardog]

4. Forgetting GITMO? No lawyer no charges no hope

[EFerrari]

8. People were disappeared in NYC after 9/11.

They rounded up a bunch of people and tried to hide them from the public defender and the CCR.

[Rebubula]

18. Were they murdered?

That is the main part of 'disappearing' is that you never return.

You end up in a mass grave with a bullet in your brainpan.


If that happened - I never heard about it.

[EFerrari]

21. Their jailors were sued for abuse but no one died

that I know of.

Mass graves are still one of our "yets", so far anyway.

[Rebubula]

24. Keep hoping...

....if you wish it to be enough (god knows some people on this board long for those days so that they will be justified in their vitriol) - maybe it will come to pass.


However, I do not see that happening in our lifetimes.

[EFerrari]

33. Your post is unintelligible to me.

Keeping track of human rights abuses is not wishing for them.

[Uncle Joe]

5. NYPD has better pay and benefits.

Thanks for the thread, backscatter.

[meow2u3]

6. Not to mention extra pay by corporations

...who use them as private security while sticking the city with the training bill.

[tblue]

7. Our gov't, POTUS and Sec of State condemn all but the first.

I guess the standards are different when it's 'your' country.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yIEgZxU1kc

I would think they'd have more sympathy for Mubarak and Gaddafi, et al, now that they see what it's like to have huge numbers of rabble rousers in the streets. Gee, it's not so fun when you can't control your people.

[pscot]

9. They're only following orders

[backscatter712]

10. That line's supposed to be used with a German accent! n/t

[hifiguy]

20. "I haff dictated your confession myself,

so zere will be no mishtakes. You vill receive a fair trial, Klink, after vhich you vill be shot!"

[Fumesucker]

11. The question was, what is the difference..

That's not a difference.

[dionysus]

12. if you can't tell the difference between the gestapo, and the NYPD, sorry.

and no, that's not me in any way agreeing with what the NYPD did.

[Fumesucker]

13. Why don't we ask Abner Louima what the difference is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima

ETA: Do you deny that the NYPD is following orders?

[LanternWaste]

41. Six million innocent civilians systematically killed over the course of seven years

"what is the difference.."

Six million innocent civilians systematically killed over the course of seven years. I imagine that's a pretty relevant difference, regardless of how one may minimize, trivialize or even dismiss those six million deaths by equating them to the here and the now in NYC. :shrug:

[Rebubula]

14. Well...

...how many fields of bodies of OWS people in NYC?

How many families have been 'disappeared' - never to be seen again?

How many people died at Zucotti Park due to police firing at random?

How many people have been loaded onto trains; heading for death camps?



Oh....None, you say???



Seriously - I understand the anger, but when you compare what occurred in NYC to what the people of Syria\Egypt\Libya endured - it makes your OP comical. I am pretty sure that the dead in each country would find your OP insulting....as do I.


I unrec this one for EXTREME hyperbole and insensitivity to the true evils that goverments are inflicting upon their people.

Getting thrown out of a park (and then being let back AFTER it was cleaned) after 2 months in order to restore some sanitation (have you been there - it was filthy...and I am a world class slob) is a far fucking cry from being gassed, shot, raped and murdered by the very government that you toil under.

[SidDithers]

15. Well said...nt

Sid

[al bupp]

16. When the NYPD, sir, starts sniping at the protesters from the roof-tops...

uses anti-aircraft artillery on marchers, and drives tanks and armoured personnel carriers into Manhattan, then they'll be like Gaddafi's and Assad's thugs. When they start setting-up concentration camps for those taken from there homes in the night or plucked off the street, and disappearing them into notorious prisons or worse, then there will be no effective difference. Until then your statement, while making a political point, verges into hyperbole, and tells me that you're not really paying attention to the details.

I do agree, however, that the police response to the occupy protests, have been seriously heavy-handed. In the short term at least, such a response will serve to keep the protests in the news and likely have the unintended consequence of encouraging additional support for them, as well as energizing protesters themselves.

[pscot]

22. It's a continuum,

or slippery slope. They can't just leap into full-blown repression, but the ratchet is at work. Give them enough time and we'll all feel it, but then it will be too late.

[hifiguy]

17. The uniforms, maybe?

:shrug:

[Swede]

19. Hyperbole at it's worst.

There are no dead,no disappeared,no tortured in New York.

[blindpig]

23. Time will tell.....

very early in the game. The movement hasn't yet been effective and has not yet produced the serious numbers. When it does become larger and more effective, and I believe it will given the government's obvious intent upon imposing this onerous austerity upon the working class, then we will see an escalation in state violence.

[Inuca]

31. Agree 100%

And I find it offensive.

[Supply Side Jesus]

25. I don't know, the fucking body count perhaps?

[Ohio Joe]

26. un-rec for stupid shit - nt

[blasto]

27. sooo, should we start shooting back?

ya know with the NYPD slaughtering us in the streets and such.

[Taverner]

28. The number of confirmed kills

Tactics are similar however...

[backscatter712]

34. That's about it.

The physical violence is mostly the same. It's just they haven't switched to live ammo yet in the U.S...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

29. With the exception of Syria and the USA the protesters won and the thugs lost.

[Throd]

30. You are equating the NYPD with the Gestapo?

[backscatter712]

35. Yeah, I am.

Same destructive attitude to civil liberties, same brutality. The only difference as far as I can tell is that police in the U.S. haven't switched to live ammo yet.

[Throd]

36. You are either being purposely hyperbolic, or need to read up on the Gestapo.

[Rebubula]

39. I guess....

....with the exception of destroying shops, raping women in front of their families, killing people in the street and sending 6 BILLION people to their deaths...it is exactly the same.


How could I have been so blind???

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

38. The objective is the same, only the methods differ.

Repression of free speech and assembly.

[TheKentuckian]

32. How far they are willing to go at present. Essentially degrees but locked in the same

general direction.

As you probably note, most are unwilling to talk in comparative terms until it is too late since the line appears to be mass graves of the disappeared or so. Until there is absolutely no room for debate most will continue to whine about hyperbole the whole road to hell.

[Rex]

37. Surely you cannot be serious.

[mwrguy]

40. Same shit, different regime