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natrlron Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 12:18 PM
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What the Catholic bishops seek is religious tyranny, not religious liberty
In perhaps one of their most deceitful efforts, the Conference of Roman Catholic Bishops yesterday sought to recast their opposition to abortion and same-sex marriage as a struggle for “religious liberty” against a government that is impinging on the church’s rights. As reported in The New York Times today, they cited that Catholic agencies that receive state funding in Illinois and a few other states had been “forced” to stop providing adoption and foster care services because the state required them to provide the same services to same-sex couples as heterosexual couples.

Let’s talk about religious liberty. The right protected by the Constitution is that the government can make no law prohibiting the free exercise ones religion or “respecting an establishment of religion.”

In their vocal opposition to abortion rights and same-sex marriage, not just as a moral issue but to get the government to prohibit women from getting abortions and prohibit same-sex civil marriage, the bishops are in fact seeking to impose their religious views on the rest of the nation through government action. That would violate both the rights of the members of other religions who do not believe that abortions should be prohibited to practice their religion, and it would thus in fact if not in language be a law respecting the establishment of religion by preferring one religious viewpoint over others.

This is an example of religious tyranny, not religious liberty. If Catholics were forced to have abortions or if the Catholic church were forced to perform same-sex marriages, that would be a violation of religious liberty. But that is not what is involved here. Even on the same-sex marriage issue, no one is suggesting that churches be forced to perform or recognize such marriages. It is solely a civil government matter.

What about their argument that they are being “forced” to abandon adoption and foster care services? Again, this is simply not the case. The church’s agencies are perfectly free to provide such services solely to heterosexuals and discriminate against same-sex couples. All laws regarding sexual orientation rights provide for exempting religious institutions who oppose homosexuality.

However, if they choose to apply for state aid for these services, then they must comply with state rules, both legislated and constitutional, regarding the use of state funds. That in no way prohibits their religious liberty. If they want to continue discriminating, they are free to do so … just without state aid.

It is shameful that the bishops have cloaked their attempt at religious tyranny and their desire to use state funds to discriminate under the banner of religious liberty.

For more on this and other issues, see my blog, http://PreservingAmericanGreatness.blogspot.com
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 12:23 PM
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1. True, Sir
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 12:24 PM
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2. The Church has every Right to live in the dark ages
Just not on my dime (tax dimes)
Hell, I don't care if they start up witch trials again, just keep it to themselves and don't expect me to pay for it.

The Catholic church see the writing on the wall. They are becoming irrelevant and it scares the crap out of them.
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natrlron Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 02:07 PM
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7. Unfortunately
they want to have their cake and eat it too. And unfortunately, they have lots of supporters.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:01 PM
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3. catholic church to poor people: "Give us more money or you will burn in hell". nt
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:10 PM
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4. I have to agree with you
they are bowing to the New World Order

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THobbes Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:31 PM
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5. we need to revoke the tax exempt status of churches
These are just greedy 1%ers using the church as a money laundering scheme. (And I was raised catholic and believe very strongly in the teachings of Jesus)
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natrlron Donating Member (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 05:16 PM
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8. It's not
an either or situation. While I disagree with your characterization of the church ... and mind you I am very anti-organized religion in general ... many churches keep appropriately to their sphere and I'm fine with their being tax exempt. But when they start direct involvement in politics and endorsing candidates, then that goes over the line and the IRS should go after them.
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SoapBox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 01:36 PM
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6. Keep the masses STOOPID and SCARED!
That is how they can control people.
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