Should Reid allow a vote on repealing HCR?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

I'm not asking this as a detractor of the law nor as somebody who in any way supports repealing the PPACA (I would definitely like to see it expanded, however) but even though repealing PPACA is DOA in the Senate and is not going to make it to the front door of the WH, I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile for Reid to hold a quick up-or-down vote on it in the Senate as a way of showing people that the Democrats are willing to allow a difficult and potentially embarrassing vote and let the chips fall where they may (which is to say nowhere in regards to repealing the Health Care Law of course). If Reid holds a vote, the Republicans won't be able to hammer the Democrats in the Senate for the next 2 years for refusing to allow a vote on it and use it to help whip up support for taking the Senate and, possibly, the WH in 2012- if it even is likely to make any difference to people in the first place. Thought? Opinions? Flames?

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[slackmaster]

1. No. It would be a waste of time.

The President would veto the bill regardless of what happens in the Senate.

[cui bono]

2. No. It will just give Obama the chance to capitulate to the Rethugs and sign it into law. nt

[emulatorloo]

9. Cute Snark. But totally ridiculous

Obama spent 2 years getting HCR passed. He is not going to sign a repeal of it. Don't be silly! :toast:

[cui bono]

13. Yes, it was sarcastic.

But only a teeny-weeny bit. :fistbump:

[sharesunited]

3. It would probably be healthy, so to speak.

There is a lot of fear in the Senate to go on record with a No vote.

So assume it is allowed to be voted on and passes in the Senate and goes to the President and he vetoes.

What does the override vote look like? Fails in the House as well as the Senate?

Has a lot more settled feeling to it to be fully tested by two of the three branches.

[wryter2000]

4. Depends

1) assuming we have the votes to defeat it and
2) assuming it wouldn't waste too much time

Yes. That way, we gave it an upper-down vote and it failed. We're the good guys.

[bigwillq]

5. If it's a legal vote, sure.

Let the process play out.

[Warren Stupidity]

6. nope. Repeal should die in the closet of dead bills.

[spanone]

7. the senate already voted on healthcare and it won...

dems control the senate...

if this were reversed the republicans wouldn't even consider the consideration

[Orangepeel]

8. We should make a deal

Hold the vote on the last day of the 2012 session if the republicans don't filibuster anything before that.

What happened with that filibuster reform vote, BTW?

[bluestateguy]

10. What kind of a vote?

A vote to bring the bill to the floor? That takes 60 votes.

A vote on cloture? That also takes 60 votes.

A vote on the actual bill? That takes 51 votes where Obama's veto pen awaits.

[KamaAina]

11. I'm hoping it doesn't even get that far

I see no reason why it should even get a hearing in committee.

[The Second Stone]

12. Absolutely not

It shouldn't ever get out of committee. The Senate should not be in the position of letting the minority dictate all the items that get on the agenda or are held up forever in committee. It should in fact be filibustered by the most irrelevant Senator they can find.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

15. I agree that it deserves no real serious consideration

I'm just talking about a quick and dirty "symbolic" vote to shut 'em up (to help us end their delusions of persecution).

[Proud Liberal Dem]

14. Follow up question (self-hijack)

is opposition to the PPACA so intense that a refusal to hold a vote in the Senate will have a potential traction with the electorate? Or, more accurately, will the Republicans be able to get some mileage in 2012 by hammering the Dems for refusing to allow a vote in the Senate- or will most people view the House's vote tonight with a collective shrug and move on? :shrug:

[madinmaryland]

17. If you have watched the evening news, there has been very little coverage, and on the

M$M just remedial coverage. There was four minutes of coverage on Rep. Giffords and maybe a 20 second blurb about the repeal vote in the house of the health care plan enacted last year. No screaming or shouting videos. Maybe the teabaggers realized that maybe this bill was what they wanted??

I think in six months this will long be forgotten by the public.

[Johonny]

16. If the other side agree to an up down vote on public option

if you're going to have a show, I want the full show.