Let's ask this question again...........

[socialist_n_TN]

Anybody still think this system can be "reformed"?

Worker's of the world unite! You have nothing to lose, but your chains!

[Modern_Matthew]

1. Nope. It needs to be eliminated. nt

[socialist_n_TN]

2. I agree comrade

I agree.

[gateley]

3. Agree, sadly. nt

[GodlessBiker]

4. Which system?

[socialist_n_TN]

5. Capitalism

nm

[SidDithers]

6. Yeah, good luck with that...

lead on, comrade.

Stand up, damned of the Earth
Stand up, prisoners of starvation

Indeed. :eyes:

Sid

[socialist_n_TN]

8. Thanks Sid.......

I'll be there Thursday. How about you?

[SidDithers]

10. You'll be where Thursday?...

Leading the glorious workers revolution against the bourgeois capitalist pigs?

Will you be taking up arms against your oppressors?

As I said, good luck with that.

Sid

[socialist_n_TN]

12. I'm a Trotskyist Sid. You know that. With us

timing is everything. Other Marxists accuse us of not seeing a socialist revolution that we like because the conditions aren't met. And I never said that the conditions are ripe here. Yet. Until then it's education, education, education and agitation, agitation, agitation. Along with organization. Trying to help folks see that this system will NOT allow itself to be reformed is part of the education and agitation.

As to Thursday, I'm going down to see what's going on with our "Day of Action" in Nashville. What about you?

[SidDithers]

15. Well, you talk a good game on the internet...nt

Sid

[socialist_n_TN]

18. Good. Since that part of what I've been trying to do here

on this centrist board for the last 3 years or so. Of course, this isn't all I'm doing.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

36. You might as well have gone with: "I know you are, but what am I?" nt

[Rex]

38. Why would you expect anything else but that?

He got called out and went all lame...typical.

[hifiguy]

7. I am coming more and more to your

way of thinking.

[socialist_n_TN]

9. The capitalists will never let you down..........

Their answer to every challenge is repression. They're the best recruiters that Marxism has.

[daleanime]

11. The only question I have is...

how fast can we get it done.:bounce:

[socialist_n_TN]

14. Conditions have to be right..........

They're not yet. Until then it's education, agitation, and organization. This post is part of the education/agitation area. :)

[Angry Dragon]

13. Torches and Pitchforks to the front??

[socialist_n_TN]

16. Not time yet. Start with doing something Thursday

in your area.

[redqueen]

17. Of course.

Do I think it will happen? Probably not.

[socialist_n_TN]

31. I do believe it will happen. The question is not if

but when. Austerity will be announced around TG (how's that for irony) and we'll see how that's taken by the majority of the people.

I figure (like others do) that the shit won't REALLY hit the fan until a few months into the next administration, whether it's another Obama admin or a Republican one.

[Rex]

19. What system? All I see is grand theft by the uber rich.

And politicians to weak-willed to stop them.

[socialist_n_TN]

21. That grand theft by the uber rich and the politicians

too weak willed to stop them IS the system. It's called capitalism or the dictatorship of capital.

[Rex]

24. Not capitalism at all, it is a plutocracy.

Hopefully something can be done about it, before the uber-rich turn us all into wage slaves.

[socialist_n_TN]

26. Late stage capitalism...........

Anyway, capitalism is what the capitalists SAY it is.

I guess you believe it can be "reformed" then?

[Rex]

28. That is stupid, communism is what the communist say it is.

Try something with more substance - that little saying won't get you anywhere with me. Late stage capitalism...no such thing, but I am sure you think of it as a disease based on your own personal bias. Am I wrong?

Capitalism is just like any other tool...you can use it or abuse it.

[socialist_n_TN]

32. BWHAAA! "Capitalism is just like any other tool...

you can use it or abuse it." How about this, Capitalism is the belief that the worst of people, for the worst of motives will result in the best of results. Or something like that. Not a saying from a Marxist BTW. And late stage capitalism is what this is whether you want to admit it or not.

All of this bullshit aside, I didn't ask about ANY of this stuff. I asked if you thought that the current system could be "reformed". That was the simple question.

[Rex]

37. So you agree, even if you don't want to. Thanks.

And your definition of capitalism shows how biased you are, so I won't waste any time with you. What is the point? You hate a form of economics, for personal reasons. Your problem and I don't care WHAT you asked...your idea of capitalism is...well...what a dullard would believe.

Reformed? Currently criminals are running things so, first, you need to get rid of them FIRST.

[socialist_n_TN]

39. Personal attack much? Enjoy your time toadying foe 1%

bub.

I hate a form of slavery that has kept my class under it's bootheel forever. A system that has proven throughout history that it will NOT change, so yeah I'm in favor of getting rid of it.

Good luck with that reform thing. It has worked so fucking well every time it's been tried. :sarcasm:

[MilesColtrane]

20. Yes I do.

But, it won't happen in days, weeks, or months.

The U.S. will eventually become a Social Democracy.

[socialist_n_TN]

22. "The U.S. will eventually become a Social Democracy."

I admire your faith in the capitalist system to dismantle itself. :)

[MilesColtrane]

33. I admire your ability to read my mind. (faulty as it is)

[socialist_n_TN]

40. I didn't read your mind, I read your post...........

"Reforming" the system comes from within the system. Ergo, it logically follows that you think that the system can reform itself. And I admire your faith that that will happen.

[MilesColtrane]

43. OK, good luck with the permanent revolution, chief.

[slackmaster]

23. I thought this was going to be another edition of "How do you upload a picture and post it on DU?"

:argh:

[socialist_n_TN]

25. BTW, everybody just pay attention to what I actually asked

I didn't say anything about methods or outcomes. I merely asked a question about "reform".

[Downwinder]

27. We don't have a choice. The system is not sustainable as is.

[socialist_n_TN]

29. Agreed.......

nm

[guitar man]

30. No

"Capitalism, communism, socialism" .... lots of "isms" get thrown around, each has its advocates and detractors, strengths and weaknesses.

I'm an advocate of something I like to call "whatever-works-ism". We have a nation of 300 million people and we need a government and economic system that works for all of us. I think it's high time to grow up, stop flinging poo at each other based on labels and come to a consensus on something functional so our children, grandchildren and future generations can live in a civilized society where all work is rewarded and simple needs are met for the common good...where the general welfare is promoted.

[Paper Roses]

34. Too big and failing. In answer to your question. No.

[AntiFascist]

35. Sorry but this is Socialism we are fighting....

socialism for the wealthy only. I agree that the "isms" begin to lose their meaning when the economy and government join together in crime.

[socialist_n_TN]

41. Nope that IS the meaning of fascism.........

Also end stage capitalism.

[AntiFascist]

42. I agree, it is also known as (economic) fascism...

and that it was brought to this level by unregulated capitalism.

If you are trying to turn the 99% movement into one that replaces capitalism with socialism then I think you might have to count on having far less than 99% support for this. There is a place for socialism (even though many may not want to call it that) but too many people enjoy the benefits of capitalism, regulated or otherwise.

[Harmony Blue]

44. Capitalism can't be reformed

It is what it is. It clearly undergoes cycles of highs and lows, but these cycles are brought upon purposefully, as to nullify any gains the worker class may have, so they are in a constant state of limbo. There is no ladder to climb, but the illusion of choice and freedom..the ultimate form of slavery.