Holyfacting shite! the city closed airspace in lower Manhattan to prevent news helicopters taking

[malaise]

aerial shots of the scene.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/15/occupy-journalists-media-blackout
<snip>

New York police attempted to impose a media blackout as they cleared Occupy Wall Street protesters from Zuccotti Park late last night.

As police swooped on the park in the early hours of Tuesday, the city closed airspace in lower Manhattan to prevent news helicopters taking aerial shots of the scene. Vans were used to obscure views of the park and a police cordon effectively blocked accredited media from reaching the site. Some of those members of the press who were in the park or were able to get there say they were arrested, pepper sprayed or treated aggressively.

One of the few reporters on the scene when the police moved in was Josh Harkinson, a writer for Mother Jones magazine. As police used tear gas to remove the last protesters from the park Harkinson identified himself as a member of the media and was physically dragged out of the park. He was told that reporters had to stay in a "press pen".

Reporters tweeted their frustration using the hashtag #mediablackout and said police were ignoring and even confiscating press passes.

A New York Post reporter was "roughed up" according to the New York Times' Brian Stelter. Lindsey Christ, of local cable-news channel NY1, said on-air this morning that "the police took over, they kept everybody out and they wouldn't let media in. It was very planned."
-----------------------
Fuck You Bloomberg -your tenure will end in disgrace

[backtoblue]

1. wow

That's pretty damned unprecedented and a clear disregard for freedom of the press. Unbelievable

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Well they did violate rights to aseemble

what's up with adding freedom of press to it?

[backtoblue]

14. we can add it to the mounting list

of constitutionally given rights being slaughtered at the hands of power-hungry bstrds.

I cannot remember a time (besides terrorism scares) where the air space was unaccessible.

[OnyxCollie]

126. Air space was restricted during the bp oil spill.

US coast guards harass journalists covering BP's oil spill disaster
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/greenslade/2010/may/28/oil-spills-press-freedom

On Tuesday, a photographer with the New Orleans Times-Picayune was prevented from flying over the ocean after the plane company was issued with a temporary flight restriction after BP officials learned that a member of the press would be on board.

The US coast guard insists that its staff and BP have gone to great lengths to accommodate journalists. A coast guard spokesman said: "Roughly 400 members of the media have been given tours of the spill on either BP-contracted aircraft or coast guard helicopters."

He defended flight restrictions as "a necessary safety precaution". Private aircraft must get permission from BP's command center to fly over a huge portion of the gulf.

[backtoblue]

133. talk about trying to sweep it under the coral...

How many more freedoms are there left to lose. Freedom of speech, freedom of peaceful assembly, freedom of the press, the right to be let alone (privacy)...
The fact that the news organizations aren't expressing outrage at these "block-outs" is strange to me. nt

[OnyxCollie]

137. The media apparatus is there to enforce authoritarian viewpoints.

Authoritarianism supports fascism.

[backtoblue]

140. Just like court jesters...

Keeping the peasants "occupied" and withholding the truth from the serfs. You're right, the media is our very own censorship and propaganda machine. I want to believe otherwise because it's a pretty scary scenario.

[annabanana]

2. Unacceptable.. EVERY news outlet in the country from The Nation

to Fox should push back on this. "Press Pens"?!?! WTF

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. So far confirmed the arrests of a NYT newsie

an AP reporter, a Reuters and NPR

NYT was charged with disorderly conduct

[gateley]

23. I'm almost glad that reps from such large publications were

arrested - we'll hopefully get a LOT of coverage on this!

[nadinbrzezinski]

25. I know

[malaise]

36. Tweety hasn't said a word about the 1st amendment rights

violations last night and this morning

[russspeakeasy]

136. His only 2 topics lately have been Sandusky and Perry.

Oh yeah; and his book.

[XemaSab]

37. The New York Times was charged with disorderly conduct?

:rofl:

[dixiegrrrrl]

32. Police used big buses parked in front of the "press pens" to block views of violence towards OWS.

last night in NYC, police shut down the subways, closed Brooklyn Bridge, used helicopters to keep news choppers away, parked police buses in front of reporters so they could not see what was happening, before they assaulted the protesters at the Park. they used tear gas.
( all this info from Twitter and http://occupywallst.org/article/nypd-raiding-liberty-sq... /)

[malaise]

42. Frightening

:D

[truedelphi]

49. Thanks Dixiegrrrl.

Good tohave links like those.

[defendandprotect]

68. ... blocking it all cause they know what they're doing is criminal -- !!!

Thanks for the report --

Some of the video that I saw of the abuse by police was astonishing --

Helmet heads ramming into the backs of protesters!! Shoving the crowds around --

These police are the criminals doing the assaulting --


:puke:

[EFerrari]

4. Does the city do that or is that a Fed decision?

[annabanana]

7. The press pens, probably Bloomberg.. Airspace would have to have

Federal input.

[EFerrari]

13. So, what do we call it when 18 mayors plan together to shut down OWS

and the Feds facilitate their plan? :shrug:

[DJ13]

16. So, what do we call it?

Chains We Can Believe In

[EFerrari]

29. I guess so. No, how long will it take even the indy media

to report it in the bigger frame?

[GliderGuider]

46. That's f'ing brilliant! Love it! bt

[aquart]

66. Agreed.

[robinlynne]

64. ooh.

[daleanime]

80. ......

:rofl: :banghead:

[Name removed]

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[malaise]

101. Genius stuff

:fistbump:

[Name removed]

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[AnneD]

125. Touche....

Love it :spray:

[Tatiana]

142. This should go viral. DUzy. n/t

[defendandprotect]

73. "Obama Justice Department involved -- Homeland Security -- !!"

Per Michael Mooree --

Justice Department has been been giving "logistical and tactical advice and

support" -- and evidently Homeland Security is involved!

Michael Moore also points to the police all using the same tactics city to city --

And that Obama must be asked "WHY?" he's doing this -- !!

[EFerrari]

75. He's right, of course. n/t

[LittleGirl]

92. If Michael Moore speaks about OWS

I listen to every word. I truly believe he should be considered one of the leaders of the movement. His movie awakened many people and I think he is a hero.

[defendandprotect]

127. Agree --- and agree re his movies --

Now all we need is a challenger to Obama -- actually TWO of them -- for 20012 --

We need two strong anti-war candidates -- Stop bankrupting the Treasury

two candidates who are pledged to move on MEDICARE FOR ALL --

Both of those things would begin to put America back on her feet again.


Notice that they are taking down all democracies at one time this time around.

No one is to be left standing to "save" any other nation, imo.

[newspeak]

124. well, ain't that just peachy

knew homeland (fatherland) security would come in right handy when those pesky plebes started figuring out the con game. Oh, little boot's might not have been as dumb as everyone thought he was "stupid is what stupid does." I'm thinking little boots intentionally got us into this economic quagmire-I mean starting a war based on downright lies, all of those choice war profiteering contracts and allowing wall street to regulate themselves while cutting more taxes to corporations and the wealthy. I thought when one goes to war, all are asked to sacrifice, that means increasing taxes not cutting them.

Looks like the scheme might have been to bankrupt america and get rid of all those social programs, privatize the shite out of everything while breaking what's left of labor. Yep, pretty soon, the wizards behind the curtain, might determine we don't need no stinkin elections, we'll just appoint one of our own. Practically done it in 2000, just had a sycophant supreme court to do it.

[defendandprotect]

128. Presume someone today has better info on all of that -- but agree

with you -- and bankrupting the nation seems to have been the plan since Reagan!

First Depression was engineered -- and this one is just as engineered. Many speaking

out about the financial coup. Catherine Austin Fitts for one -- but many others.

And they've done that across the globe.


And all of this has been put in play with 50 years and more of RW political violence.

That's the only way the RW can rise.

Well -- that and stolen elections and repetitive lies.


Think the biggdst lie they fear is Global Warming and many are beginning to wake up to

what is really going on.

[davepc]

89. police state?

[Javaman]

94. If it were only 18 mayors. Check this out...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2313031&mesg_id=2313031

[KoKo]

27. "Airspace would have to have Federal input?" Could that be true?

:shrug:

[hatrack]

39. Yes, by legal definition, U.S. airspace is federal territory

nt

[dixiegrrrrl]

38. Bloomberg. Bought the mayorship for 73 million dollars, 12th richest man in America.

says Anonymous.

[defendandprotect]

69. +1000% -- Olbermann also said it tonight -- and quite a bit more -- !! Bloomberg should be dumped !

[Wind Dancer]

123. Keith gave an amazing...

... commentary last night re: Bloomberg. Do watch if you haven't seen it.

[defendandprotect]

129. +1 --

[DLnyc]

9. I will hazard a guess here.

That is a decision made by Morgan Stanley executives.

[EFerrari]

10. LOL. I have to agree with you.

:)

[defendandprotect]

70. +1

[defendandprotect]

72. Michael Moore/Olberman tonight: "Obama Justice Dept giving logistical and tactical advice and

support -- evidently Homeland Security has been involved!!

And as Michael Moore points out -- all tactics of police have been the same --

and "Obama needs to be asked, 'Why?'" -- !!!

Agree on that --


Obama is Wall Street - OWS is anti-Wall Street --

That seems pretty clear, doesn't it?!!

[Leopolds Ghost]

135. Obama using Homeland Security to infiltrate Occupy Wall Street?

Where are the DU Admins / rank and file party committeemembers on the issue of OWS?

[defendandprotect]

144. They don't often reveal themselves whether re DLC or Third Way or OWS ... !!

[dgibby]

122. Both, according to MSNBC this am.

DHS was involved in the conference call with several Mayors around the country. I hope the ACLU is all over this. Bad enough when the local authorities are violating civil rights, much worse when the Feds are doing it. Wonder how long before they get the National Guard involved.

[formercia]

6. Bloomberg gets his Attica Moment

NY State's signature mindset.

[TBF]

8. Welcome to your police state ... does anyone here still believe you live in a democracy? nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

11. Yeah, let's vote on it. . . . . well, maybe not.

[robinlynne]

65. hey let's switch the judge!

[Taverner]

12. Shame. They really are "pigs" today, aren't they?

[suffragette]

15. Starting to sound like many reporters were arrested

I would guess they, like Harkinson, refused being kettled in the "press pen."

http://eastvillage.thelocal.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/video-reporter-for-the-local-is-arrested-during-occupy-wall-street-clearing/

The Local’s reporter, who repeatedly identified himself to the police as a journalist while on the scene, complied with the order and walked north while filming protesters, however (as seen at the 2:11 mark in the video) his progress was stopped by a group of officers blocking the sidewalk at the intersection of Broadway and John Street. One of the officers arrested him using plastic Flexi-Cuffs, even as he continued to identify himself as a journalist and called attention to press credentials hanging from his neck. (The press card had been issued for an unrelated assignment by the Media Accreditation and Liaison Unit of the United Nations in September).

The Local’s reporter was put onboard a police van with eight other arrestees, including two New School undergraduates, a photographer with Agance (sic) France Presse, and city councilman Ydanis Rodriguez, all handcuffed behind their backs. Mr. Rodriguez had blood on his temple from what he said was an earlier confrontation with the police. He recalled previous demonstrations, including the occupation of a City College administration building in the early 1990s.

~~~

According to City Room’s live blog of the Zuccotti Park clearing, at least five other journalists were reportedly arrested while covering ongoing Occupy Wall Street protests. Those arrested included a reporter and a photographer from The Associated Press, a reporter from The Daily News, a photographer from DNA Info, and a freelance reporter for National Public Radio. The Times’s Media Decoder blog reported that other journalists, in what some have called a “media blackout,” complained that they were not allowed access to areas around Zuccotti Park. Gothamist and Huffington Post also noted the seeming crackdown on media coverage.


Today at 11:57 a.m., Matthew Lysiak, a reporter for The Daily News, wrote on that outlet’s live blog that he was arrested while covering a demonstration at a park at Sixth Avenue and Grand Street. At 12:34 p.m., he posted an update indicating that he was on a police bus with two other reporters.

[Juneboarder]

17. Sounds like NYC is on the same page as Oakland nt

[snot]

18. K&R'd.

They must think they own the media so hard that it doesn't matter how badly they treat them?

[ljm2002]

19. Doesn't this constitute prior restraint???

I think it does, and that would make it a clear violation of the First Amendment.

Of course, everything else they are doing is already a violation of the First Amendment, so maybe they figured, hey, let's go for it.

This is going to backfire on them though. The more blatantly they try to suppress the movement, the more it will grow.

[Poll_Blind]

20. The supression of the Revolution willl not be televised. nt

PB

[Kaleko]

56. Nor will it be privatized.

[FailureToCommunicate]

91. +1!

[hifiguy]

21. Yes, it's fascism now. nt

[Hassin Bin Sober]

26. They do appear to be "taking down the scenery"

The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”
― Frank Zappa

[daleanime]

81. Great quote...

and that seems to be what happening now.:banghead:

[Pilotguy]

22. The City of NY...

...has no authority to close airspace. Only the FAA can do that.

[blkmusclmachine]

24. Somedays it seems like the wanna-be fascists are in control everywhere

[stillwaiting]

99. I think they've crossed the line from wannabe.

We do not have any rights or freedoms anymore.

It's terrifying what our nation has become.

[truebrit71]

28. So much for freedom of the press eh?

http://pulltheotheronemate.blogspot.com/2011/11/fourteen-defining-characteristics-of.html

[kath]

30. Can you say "FASCISM"??

I knew you could.

Jeebus H. Christ on a Trailer Hitch.

[gateley]

33. Yeah, we can, but nobody listens. They just don't see it. nt

[EFerrari]

34. Yes, we can. n/t

[defendandprotect]

71. Everyone sees it --- and hope NYC rises up to deal with Bloomberg/Kelly -- !!

[babylonsister]

31. Wasn't this also done during anti-war demonstrations in DC? nt

[malaise]

35. Weren't parts of DCs airspace

closed since 9/11?

[redqueen]

40. I heard about this this morning....

on the mainstream, nationally syndicated radio show I listen to sometimes.

They were going on and on about the way it was handled, middle of the night, no press, etc. Making comments about how they knew that's how they did things in other countries, but not here. At least they thought so until today.

[EFerrari]

52. The Examiner article about Fed cooperation said

the FBI recommended these tactics.

ETA link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2315960&mesg_id=2315960

[GliderGuider]

41. I guess it's war now, isn't it? They have declared it, and their tactics confirm it. nt

[malaise]

44. Too late

Occupy the planet

[GliderGuider]

45. Yes. It's time. nt

[Matariki]

43. The airspace ban demonstrates their REAL motives and shows their lies

Lying that it was for reporters' "safety" to keep them out of the park.

[AllyCat]

47. If they were doing legal things, they wouldn't need a media blackout

There is a reason they are throwing a sheet over the news cameras and smashing up people's laptops.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

48. The city can not close airspace, only the FAA can

Was a TFR area announced?

[malaise]

50. I don't know n/t

[ProgressiveProfessor]

51. There was a TFR, but not for OWS or police activities

I dont know NYC well enough to see if it covered Freedom Park or not

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_4984.html

[malaise]

79. Thanks for the link n/t

[Ilsa]

53. This makes me sick. Sometimes I wonder if the US can be saved. nt

[burrowowl]

54. I wonder too

scary.

:scared: :grr:

[astral]

55. I am afraid I do not think so.

Where are we to go to stand up for our freedom if our law enforcement stands against us? Backed by the federal government? Is our military going to hit the streets here now, or is it someone else's military that we will see here while ours are 'defending' our rights overseas?

I don't think there's anybody left to just not see that there is something wrong with our idea that we still live in a free country, who was fighting keep our rights as they were being chipped away? It has to be all of us now, I think.

[FirstLight]

57. noone is coming to 'save' us...

that was an interesting feeling to admit over the past couple years...but it's just that way.

WE. the 99. are the ones we have been waiting for... we have to remember that the strength is in our numbers, the strength is in our diversity...the concept of tribe is resurfacing, finally.

let's just hope we can pull it off...cuz the govt is not going to be on our side this time...we are enemy #1, they have made that clear

[TransitJohn]

77. It's over. We lost.

It's impossible to affect positive change on the national level. Congress writes laws for corporations. All that's left to us is to build communities of like minded individuals in which we'd like to dwell.

[Dorian Gray]

82. Are you kidding?

Yesterday's actions by the NYC police are opening the eyes of many less involved political people. NYers are getting pissed, and I think that this will totally backfire.

[stillwaiting]

100. It had better backfire. This is massive in its implications.

They've literally taken away everything from us that made us "Americans".

[Major Hogwash]

58. Bloomberg has turned into an authoritarian overnight!

No more salt in NY restaurant dishes!
No more smoking in bars!
No more smoking in parks!
No more smoking outside at all!

NO MORE SMILING!!

[Bozita]

59. If it ain't on film, it simply didn't happen. - cop rulebook, page one

[Odin2005]

60. Is it FASCISM yet?

[Fire Walk With Me]

61. K&R

[Kablooie]

62. It's beginning to sound like Tiananmen Square.

[BlueIris]

63. Desperate. Nice try, fascists. nt

[defendandprotect]

67. NYC has to dump Bloomberg and Kelly -- !! Hadn't heard about closing the AIRSPACE !! Wow !!

Oberman covered part of this tonight --

had on two journalists -- one of whom I think was the Mother Jones journalist?

But, not even far enough to ban journalists and keep attacking these citizens --

but they're so frightened of what they're doing that they had to keep press planes

out of the AIRSPACE!!

America is in the arms of fascism -- and Bloomberg and Kelly are reeking of it!!



What can we do to connect and help OWS with Thanksgiving -- food, money, visits?

Greetings? Is the only way to send them messages via Facebook?



:hi: -- thanks for this report -- and we're still pretending we have the right to

"freedom of assembly" -- !!

[Chipper Chat]

105. As I was watching Keith I could tell that those two journalists

were screaming inside. They itched to just tell it like it is but had to restrain themselves for Keith's protection and prudence.

[defendandprotect]

145. Olberman has been doing a good job -- overall -- but also try to

watch some of Schultz who has also been doing a great job for protest

movement --

Agree re journalists -- !!

:hi:

[Chipper Chat]

147. Unfortunately I don't get to see Ed anymore.

Keith at 8 and Daily Show at 11. (I wish Ed was on at 7 instead of the Tweety-peat).

[RainDog]

74. k&r n/t

[red dog 1]

76. Bloomberg & Kelly Both Have To Go!

[Liberty Belle]

78. New Yorkers should impeach Bloomberg.

Even people who don't support the occupy movement or the protesters' tactics should be outraged at this intimidation and abuse of media, for the police are blocking the people's right to know what is happening.

[lonestarnot]

83. Second that Fuck You Bloomberg!

[Enthusiast]

84. Bloomberg's behavior is common in a democracy.

:sarcasm:

[Major Nikon]

85. The city can't "close" airspace. Here's how it works

The FAA is the only entity that can modify airspace restrictions. They do this on a short term basis by issuing Temporary Flight Restrictions (TFR).

Various police departments may request the FAA to issue a TFR, and they will tell the FAA why they want one. The FAA doesn't have to honor the request, but generally they do. Most likely the city issued the request because they had several police helicopters operating in the area and they were probably expecting life flight operations.

Police departments do this all the time when they have a big event like a big fire, hostage situation, etc. It has nothing to do with a media blackout and everything to do with creating a safe environment free from all the sightseers. If the FAA doesn't restrict the airspace, anyone with a small plane or helicopter can linger in the area (and they do) and there's nothing the FAA can do about it until they issue a TFR.

I see this all the time where the media accuses the FAA of a "media blackout". That's not a valid excuse for closing airspace and the FAA would never honor such a request. If they did, the backlash from the pilot community would be overwhelming.

[The Doctor.]

86. Oh please.

Why would they be 'expecting life flights'? Where was the fire? The earthquake?

The only "danger" was the police themselves. Now, if your point is that the city expected the police to hospitalize more demonstrators, then we might agree. But then that kind of explains why they wanted to black out the media.

[Major Nikon]

103. I'm just explaining the process

If you don't agree, then feel free to relate your own experience on the subject.

[The Doctor.]

108. Then you would not have said this;

"It has nothing to do with a media blackout and everything to do with creating a safe environment free from all the sightseers."

Sorry, but if you're really just 'providing the facts', then why even suggest that this might be innocuous?

I'll ask you directly: "Do you believe that the airspace restriction had nothing to do with keeping the media from acquiring images of the raid?"

If you do, then you'll also have to address the reason for the buses and the 'press pens'. Sorry, but the simplest answer is that they didn't want to allow footage of police brutality to wind up on the world wide web.

[Major Nikon]

111. I said anything about "just providing the facts"

So I'll thank you not to put words in my mouth as a foundation to your argument.

I'm explaining the process as I know it based on my experience. If you have experience on the subject, feel free to offer it. Otherwise you're just being argumentative on a subject you most likely know nothing about. It would have been irresponsible for them NOT to request a TFR in this situation. Every aircraft in the area would have flown over to gander at all the bright red and blue lights.

Go to this web site and you'll find no less than 38 active TFRs around the country. Many of those were requested by local law enforcement or other government agencies to keep unnecessary traffic out of an area so that official aircraft can operate safely. Happens ever day, all over the US.
http://tfr.faa.gov/

So using your own tactics here, if you think the TFR was issued just to blackout the media, you'll have to address the reason why TFRs are issued all over the country on a daily basis. The reason has nothing to do with blacking out the media and everything to do with the safety of aircraft.

[Fumesucker]

117. "I'm just explaining the process"..

That may not be *identical* to "just providing the facts" but the semantic difference is negligible.

[The Doctor.]

121. So you're saying that they had to do it,

And it had nothing to do with the media?

Are you saying that every time there is police action, they restrict the airspace? What about parades?

Can you now explain the buses and 'press pens'?

Defending fascism is hard work, I'm sure.

[Major Nikon]

141. Clearly you're only interested in argument for the sake of argument

Call me a fascist, I'm out and you're ignored. Have fun arguing with yourself, because I have no interest in discussion with someone who has to resort to such childish nonsense to defend their ignorance.

[The Doctor.]

146. Nice cop-out.

You were asked direct questions.

Enjoy your stay.

[valerief]

87. They were just protecting us from al-Qaeda.

:sarcasm:

[midnight]

88. K&R... I was thinking the same- Recall time...

[mahatmakanejeeves]

90. reporters had to stay in a "press pen"

Would you like Freedom Fries® with that?

[piratefish08]

93. will some of the major news outlets stop sucking corporate dick now that they have been shown where

they truly stand in the eyes of their masters?





no.

No they won't.

[lonestarnot]

95. I see you asked and answered.

[woo me with science]

96. K&R nt

[rhett o rick]

97. This is the revolution. I hope it can remain peaceful from the protestors side but I doubt it. nm

[dotymed]

102. Put the media in the "press pen." (Yeehaw)

Then put the protestors in "Free speech Zones." No Fascism here, move along.

[judesedit]

104. Thank God for cell phones, etc. We'll still get the true picture

Thanks to all the 99% who stayed in the cold and took all of the police abuse for the rest of us. You are the true patriots. By the way....where's the military? Aren't they supposed to protect us and the Constitution and Bill of Rights? I'm surprised they aren't there in full force. I guess they learned from their experiences in Nam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Do they really think this Congress gives one crap about them at home either? This is where we need them right now. To help change this bat-crap government. Instead of getting out there to catch the murderers, rapists, white collar thieves, the cops are pretending to be brave as they go after the unarmed, pregnant, peaceful elderly, women and children. Pathetic. They can't stop the movement. We are here to stay until the $$$$$$ gets out of politics and the politicians start doing the bidding "of the many, instead of the few". Can I sign the recall petition for Scott Walker? I don't live in Wisconsin. I'd really like to if possible.

[October]

106. Driving into the city yesterday, I noticed 4-5 helicopters over lower Manhattan

They were seemingly all at an oddly high altitude...I guess this explains it.

Un-effing-believable!!!

[NOLALady]

107. It's only a matter of time.

I hate to say it, but I can see it coming.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." --- John F. Kennedy ...

[GliderGuider]

109. +1000. JFK was a clear thinker with insight and compassion

Unlike most of those in public office today.

[GETPLANING]

112. New Potemkin Village

Press pens, free speech zones...

[Beavker]

113. Can the Repukes get the Supremist Court to revoke personhood

for Dems? That's next.

[fascisthunter]

114. America is a Fascist Police State

Corporate America controls our politicians and their actions. This is NOT a democracy!

[kentauros]

115. Has anyone considered (or attempted) to use RC-helicopters?

Apparently, I'm not the only one to think of this for documenting events in a way that the cops can't snatch it away from you:

Remote control helicopter coverage of Warsaw riots

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dce0XV4kwTM

I've been wondering about why people aren't taking video and pictures (and piloting their RC vehicles) from the rooftops or lower levels of surrounding buildings, too. At least do so if you have legal access. Invite more people up if you do :)

[Divine Discontent]

116. Adolf Bloomberg.. this guy has the making of any good tyrant if just given the chance

Get it now, or one of a million other designs! http://www.zazzle.com/republicans_2012_keeping_millions_out_of_work_bumper_sticker-128659602907896843?rf=238107662556833486

[FunMe]

118. Crackdown in NYC and other cities in coordination with Homeland "Security"

Sounds like Homeland "Security" is helping cities do this

"Update: 'Occupy' crackdowns coordinated with federal law enforcement officials"

http://www.examiner.com/top-news-in-minneapolis/were-oc...

"Over the past ten days, more than a dozen cities have moved to evict "Occupy" protesters from city parks and other public spaces. As was the case in last night's move in New York City, each of the police actions shares a number of characteristics. And according to one Justice official, each of those actions was coordinated with help from Homeland Security, the FBI and other federal police agencies."

[Leopolds Ghost]

138. Obama's FBI / DHS has been planning a coordinated takedown for awhile now, according to

Anonymous. Or so I heard on another thread.

[sarcasmo]

119. Any doubt this society is still 100% free?

Press Pen, that sure sounds free.

[dgibby]

120. Well coordinated attack, DHS involved.

According to MSNBC this am, DHS was involved in the conference call with several Mayors re: OWS encampments around the US. If this is true, then the Feds are also guilty of civil rights violations in addition to local governments. Police state, anyone?

[a2liberal]

130. K&R (n/t)

[OwnedByFerrets]

131. Is it fascism yet?

That was rhetorical, of course.

[arthritisR_US]

132. democracy sure has an awful stench these days :( n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

134. Is there a very real chance this could bring down Bloomberg?

Or are most New Yorkers pro-Wall Street, like the average Jerseyite I met when I was living up there?

[Solly Mack]

139. K&R

[ooglymoogly]

143. Would like to ask anybody who knows...can a mayor or an equally corrupt governor be recalled

in NYC or NY state? If that is a possibility, it is time to start talking that up.

It is time the people began playing as rough as the pig thugs and their bosses are playing.