IF DHS coordinated the OWS evictions with 18 cities as being reported....

[Avalux]

then Obama must speak out instead of "hoping" that local authorities can find a way to deal with OWS by balancing the freedom to assemble/freedom of speech with safety.

If the feds are involved, then so is he.

[gateley]

1. Agree -- who is reporting this? It sure does seem

suspicious - obviously coordinated.

[Avalux]

8. Thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2315960

And Obama made a statement today akin to what's in my post. Doesn't jive.

[gateley]

14. Thanks. nt

[TheWraith]

16. Per Daily Kos, DHS is NOT coordinating any police responses; any coordination is by cities only.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/15/1036770/-BREAKING!-Homeland-Security-is-NOT-coordinating-Occupy-Crackdown!

[aquart]

2. Yes, he needs to explain DHS' take on political protest.

[Fire Walk With Me]

3. The lines are being more and more clearly drawn. #OWS is winning.

Problems are being revealed at an ever-increasing depth, and people are being increasingly polarized regarding them.

#OWS is winning.

[Avalux]

10. Agree. n/t

[Fumesucker]

4. He doesn't know..

We have to get word to him somehow so he can put a stop to this travesty.

[hlthe2b]

6. why do you think he doesn't know?

Do you really think Janet Napolitano would not have discussed it with him?

[Fumesucker]

11. Because he would have stopped it if he did know..

That whole Constitutional Lawyer thing.

:shrug:

[jberryhill]

24. And as a Constitutional lawyer....

...he is well acquainted with the term "reasonable time, place and manner restrictions."

Here's a handy Google link if that phrase is not familiar:

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22reasonable+time%2C+place+and+manner+restrictions

5.5 million hits.

Unfortunately, being acquainted with the First Amendment in any real sense, also means being acquainted with the ins and outs of two hundred years of precedent on the subject, as well as whether the current Court is inclined to make significant changes in that precedent.

Civil disobedience means disobedience. One can claim to be acting within the law, or one can claim to be engaging in civil disobedience. One cannot simultaneously do both.

[Fumesucker]

27. All constitutional experts think exactly alike..

Constitutional law is like Latin, it never changes and everyone agrees on the interpretation.

[jberryhill]

28. Sure it changes

But it doesn't go from reasonable time place and manner to, "sure, have as many people camp out in a park for as long as you like."

And the abortion clinic hasslers are waay out in front on these issues. They are going to be allowed to block the sidewalk in front long before any court allows a 24/7 encampment of indefinite duration.

Most of DU doesn't want the Phelps clan just standing near funerals on public areas holding signs. Your enemies of the First Amendment are right here, ostensibly supporting OWS.

So, tell me. How do you allow OWS and keep the Phelpses away from funerals?

[kenny blankenship]

26. Also, he was not around ATM. As he left he said something about "operating" on a "Deaf Star"

so that it would be "fully audible" soon, or something like that. I don't know what that means, but if it all works out I gather the people of "Alderaan" are never going to have any complaints ever again. So there's more Hope and Change delivered as promised.

[hlthe2b]

5. Plausible deniability is not going to cut it...

If DHS is involved, Obama knows.

[maddezmom]

7. Who is reporting this was a DHS action?

[Avalux]

9. Thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2315960

[maddezmom]

13. Thanks....guess we'll have to see what it means when it all pans out.

[EFerrari]

12. The article doesn't say it is but that they colluded, I mean, collaborated. n/t

[AntiFascist]

15. This is true!

Obama needs to take responsibility for any Federal coordination.

[WillyT]

17. Yep... If The Administration's Finger Prints Are On This... God Help Us All...

:evilfrown:

:kick: & Rec !!!

[Fumesucker]

18. Unpossible..

Obama is a Constitutional lawyer, he would never allow such a thing.

We must get word to him of the injustice being done, he will stop it I'm sure.

[WillyT]

19. LOL !!!

;)

:hi:

[nc4bo]

20. I'm sure he is well aware of what's going on in this nation's streets.

And THAT isn't very comforting at all.

[Fumesucker]

22. He lives in a bubble, all presidents do..

Powerful people have layers in depth of insulation from the common man and the president is the most layered of all.

[Rex]

21. He won't, Obama doesn't show a real interest in helping The People.

Maybe in his second term...

[Hell Hath No Fury]

23. Yup.

When the fucking FEDS step in to help stiffle dissent, then we are in a whole new ballgame. A very dangerous, scary ballgame. :mad:

And IF the reports are true -- he needs to be held accountable.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

25. Kick -

[Avalux]

29. Kick - I posted this yesterday; today fed involvement seems to be likely. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

30. The raiding and arrests a pot dispensaries showed me where he was coming from

then the denials when it was happening should have awaken
oneself to the fact

Dept of homeland security is his baby as is the dept of Justice.

[Avalux]

31. OR.....he has no actual control over DHS and Justice

Which is entirely possible. The Patriot Act gave them enormous powers.