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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:41 PM
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What OWS needs is just a huge occupation of the national mall
Edited on Tue Nov-15-11 09:44 PM by steelmania75
like 1 million strong in solidarity, from K-Street to Congress.
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Webster Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 09:47 PM
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1. Totally!
Make it the biggest protest in US history. :thumbsup:

K&R!
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 10:14 PM
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2. You must've read my mind! I so agree!!! nt
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:20 AM
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8. Ditto ditto ditto head
can't help a touch of humor since we look alike.
And you did say it so well!
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brooklynite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:18 PM
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3. If the OWS movement could draw 1 million people together...
...it wouldn't need to "occupy" anything.

Perhaps focusing on specific issues to attract supporters would be a better approach than "occupying" territory at this point.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 11:22 PM
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4. Not centralizing keeps the opposition off balance.
Concentrating on DC would be a mistake.
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steelmania75 Donating Member (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:10 AM
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5. Of course there would be solidarity occupations across the country, but the two main epicenters
should be at Wall Street(which it is now) and DC(where it is not right now). DC has the corporate lobbyists, it's where these anti-99% laws are made, it's where Citizens United was upheld by the Supreme Court. I think it would be important for the movement to also focus on DC, where Congress's approval rating is at its lowest level ever.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:39 AM
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13. That's an argument to draw power away from DC, not to give it more.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:16 AM
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6. Mall gatherings are easily ignored.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:18 AM
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7. We need a million seniors outside Congress and the White House
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 12:21 AM by woo me with science
as the Super Committee meets.

Shame them, as OWS continues its occupation across the country.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:22 AM
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9. i say inside the capital building, it does belong to the people
and not the people that sit in their offices
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:39 AM
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12. Can you imagine the photographs
....a million senior citizens showing up to look them in the face.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:37 AM
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11. Seniors are, well, you know Seniors. They need their meds, their beds
and their kids to do what they can no longer do. We are also very broke from not having a decent increase in ss in a long time.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:54 AM
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14. I think a huge occupation is very possible.
Yes, many seniors with a stake in this would not be able to attend in person, but there are legions of healthy, active seniors across the country who might just consider it important enough to make that trip.

Look what they were able to do just in Chicago: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/07/seniors-join-occupy-chica_n_1079553.html
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 12:31 AM
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10. It's the place to be -- where the leaders who write the laws see it firsthand. Constant reminder as
they pass by it to or from lobbyist buildings & Congress.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:01 AM
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15. There might be some point in a seniors' protest -- but not for OWS to do it
The more decentralized OWS is, the more powerful it becomes. There's a reason why the emerging motto is "Occupy Everywhere." When you put all your eggs in one basket, they can either ignore you or repress you -- and this it's over. But when you're everywhere all at once, serving as a moral critique of every aspect of society, you become inexorable.

OWS is also coming to the conclusion that the current system is so broken that it can't be fixed merely through well-intentioned but ultimately futile reforms. At this point, OWS is becoming a counter-culture in the truest sense -- that is, an alternative to the mainstream culture, with its own institutions, its own internal economy, it's own medical and educational systems, it's own green energy and recycling. These things are still in very rudimentary form, and are admittedly dependent on the larger society, but that they exist at all is a major source of the incredible power and appeal of this movement.

As I said in the header, there might be some point to seniors and others showing up on the Mall for a "leave Social Security and Medicare alone" protest. They have one simple demand, it could be met by convincing Congress to take certain specific actions, and the traditional protest format is adapted to that. But OWS should stay as far away from mass protests as possible.

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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:08 AM
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16. Yes! The National Mall
and a BIG ONE!

and Occupy it with tents and permanence!
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Tx4obama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:15 AM
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17. Nope. Tents wouldn't be allowed on the National Mall - see excerpt below
Edited on Wed Nov-16-11 02:17 AM by Tx4obama

SNIP

Legal experts are hardly surprised by the outcomes, which are spurred in large part by a 1984 U.S. Supreme Court ruling allowing the National Park Service to deny permits in Washington, D.C.'s National Mall to protesters seeking the right to erect tent cities to symbolize the plight of the homeless.

SNIP

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x2319433


p.s. I highly doubt the National Park Service would issue permits for OWS tents.


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SnohoDem Donating Member (915 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 02:25 AM
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18. Shut DC down
If DC doesn't work for the 99%, then DC doesn't work.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 08:58 AM
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19. Kick. nt
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-16-11 09:02 AM
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20. dont occupy the Mall. Occupy the gears of the machine
occupy (block and shut down) the Supreme Ct, Congress, the Bank's hq's..........
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