Hours after shots from an assault rifle were targeted at the WH,

[sasha031]

Congress critters were busy lifting the concealed weapons ban.

House Passes Concealed Weapons Permit Bill
WASHINGTON (AP) — A state permit to carry a concealed firearm would be valid in almost every other state in the country under legislation the House passed Wednesday.
The first pro-gun bill the House has taken up this year and the first since Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, D-Ariz., was severely injured in a gun attack in January, it had the National Rifle Association's backing and passed by a comfortable margin. The vote was 272-154, with only seven Republicans voting against it and 43 Democrats supporting it.

The Democratic-controlled Senate has no parallel bill. But two years ago, GOP Sens. John Thune of South Dakota and David Vitter of Louisiana nearly succeeded in attaching a similar measure to a larger bill.Under the House legislation, people with a concealed carry permit in one state could carry a concealed weapon in every other state that gives people the right to carry concealed weapons. While states have various standards for issuing such permits, currently only Illinois and the District of Columbia prohibit the concealed carrying of weapons.

"The Second Amendment is a fundamental right to bear arms that should not be constrained by state boundary lines," said GOP Rep. Lamar Smith of Texas, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee.The bill's chief co-sponsor, Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla., said states should consider concealed carry permits no differently from driver's licenses recognized by all states. He noted that many states already have reciprocity agreements with other states.The legislation would "make it easier for law-abiding permit holders to know that they are simply in compliance with the law when they carry a firearm as they travel," he said.

Democratic opponents said the bill would constitute a "race to the bottom," with states that have strict requirements for issuing permits having to accept permits from states with far more lax standards."It's a situation where weaker state laws become the national law," said Rep. Bobby Scott, D-Va. He noted that some states require training for permit holders, or deny permits to those under 21 or who sell drugs to minors, commit sex offenses or are involved in domestic violence.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=142383169

roll call vote
http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/h/842

[elleng]

1. 'Race to the bottom,' here we come.

Idiots!

[sasha031]

9. I realy disgusted because in my state we have gun laws, now they are void because of this bill

don't I have rights too? Do I have a right to go grocery shopping with the knowing that the clown in line next to me isn't armed and dangerous.

[TheWraith]

12. No, they're not. You should actually read what the bill means.

Permit holders are still required to comply with the laws of the state they're in. The people who told you otherwise are full of it.

[elleng]

15. Confusion all around? (Wouldn't be a surprise.)

'states that have strict requirements for issuing permits having to accept permits from states with far more lax standards."It's a situation where weaker state laws become the national law.'

[TheWraith]

17. One, there's not that much variance in state laws.

Nobody panics when they see an out of state license plate, even though Florida may have a different driving test than New York does.

Two, someone's permit from another state being temporarily honored is not the same thing as invalidating local laws, any more than you can drive a speed limit based on your home state.

[elleng]

19. Driving an automobile NOT THE SAME THING as carrying firearms,

I DO NOT ACCEPT the comparison.

[TheWraith]

24. You're right: cars are more dangerous, killing several times more people every year. nt

[elleng]

29. Because EVERYONE DRIVES???

Because most people MUST DRIVE???

Let's change the proportion: Let's give EVERYONE A GUN or two or three, and see to it that they are used for their intended purpose: KILLING!

[elleng]

14. No such right, presumably, IF this passes Senate (and is signed by Prez.)

[usregimechange]

16. I don't think this law will have much impact on whether the person next to you is armed + dangerous

[-..__...]

18. No... what you don't have is the right not to be afraid.

And how do you know that the "clown" next to you isn't already "armed and dangerous"?

FWIW... I live in the same nanny state, with it's bullshit gun control laws that you do.

Should this bill be signed into law, I'm curious to see what the reaction from the Statehouse and law enforcement will be?

I'm betting it'll be even more reactionary, knee jerk, sky is falling, hand wringing bile.

[jmg257]

22. Unless your in Illinois or DC, you'll likely never know. Even then, you can't be too sure.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. Other countries don't have to have guns why do we?

In the UK you don't need one. Why here?

[msongs]

3. makes a big noise, blows up stuff. sorta like crows attracted to shiny things nt

[orpupilofnature57]

8. I American ,I in control ,I

[TheWraith]

13. In the UK their level of violent crime is far higher than in the United States.

Not exactly a good analogy.

[HipChick]

20. Facts to back that up?

There is a huge black market for guns in UK..

[TheWraith]

26. Here you go.

UK is violent crime capital of Europe

The United Kingdom is the violent crime capital of Europe and has one of the highest rates of violence in the world, worse even than America, according to new research.

The total number of violent offences recorded compared to population is higher than any other country in Europe, as well as America, Canada, Australia and South Africa.

Opposition leaders said the disclosures were a "damning indictment" of the Government's failure to tackle deep-rooted social problems.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5712573/UK-is-violent-crime-capital-of-Europe.html

[HipChick]

28. Here you go...Murder Rate lowest in 20yrs, and overall crime rate down by 6%..

Anti-liberal The Telegraph is like listening to Glenn Beck...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/jul/16/crime-figures-recession-impact

[jmg257]

25. Not that you don't need one, ya just can't have one even if ya did. nt

[MrScorpio]

4. Shoot 'em up! Bang bang!

Ride 'em, Cowboy!

[spanone]

5. ain't that america

[noiretextatique]

6. way to go house! carrying concealed weapons is a priority for the nation!!!

never mind extending unemployment benefits or creating new jobs :applause:

[Ter]

7. What does one have to do with the other?

Would this bill have made a difference?

[usregimechange]

10. If laws prohibiting concealed weapons do not impact public safety, liberty wins imo

If there is not public interest served...

[gratuitous]

11. Same sex marriage? Not binding in any other state

But you get a concealed carry permit in Wahoo, Nebraska, and you can carry it anywhere in the U.S. and A., local laws be damned. Carrying your bang-bang is more important than your marriage. I hope everyone understands that.

[NutmegYankee]

27. Efforts are underway to repeal DOMA. nt

[apocalypsehow]

21. As progressive Democrats control the Senate, this should be tabled there. It's an indecent law in

about fifty ways, and shouldn't even be given the dignity of a hearing in committee or a vote on the floor.

If, somehow, it does manage to get through the Senate President Obama will veto it, and even the House vote was not veto-proof.

It's a good thing we have a progressive Democrat in the White House, I say. Otherwise the right-wing scum that makes up the gun lobby would ram this through and a GOP stooge of the NRA in the White House - as George W. Bush was - would sign it.

[krispos42]

23. There are 10 states that will not recipocate with anybody.

Regardless of the strictness of the other states. Why? Apparently, it's not about an objective standard to carry concealed; it's about keeping the absolute minimum number of people legally carrying guns because, yanno, it's CCW permittees that are slaughtering all those poor innocent people. :eyes:


This wouldn't be an issue if those 10 states, totaling a third of the nation's population, weren't being assholes.

[apocalypsehow]

31. List the ten (not 10) states for us, please. Thanks. n/t.

[krispos42]

32. Sure

California
Connecticut
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Rhode Island


Okay, that's nine that only recognize their own permits. Illinois (a state) and DC (a district) do not issue permits and also do not recognize any other states' permits. The territories of Guam, Puerto Rico, and US Virgin Islands also do not recognize any permits besides their own.


See page 2:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

[apocalypsehow]

33. Thank you. Of those nine, I note every single one of them is solidly Blue. Oregon may be marginally

"iffy" or "swing" in some regards, but even then has gone solidly Democratic at the national level since 1988.

In any event, taking all nine states together, that's a lot of progressives you've lumped in the "asshole" category because of their collective stance on guns. I wonder if you'd care to elaborate on the matter?

[krispos42]

34. It's a lot of progressive politicians I've lumped into the "asshole" catagory, that's for sure.

It's because their policy is provincial because their goal is to make their states as gun-free as possible, and they do that by making it more difficult than reasonable or necessary to own a gun or bring a gun into their state because inhibiting gun ownership is a laudable, beneficial social goal. In their view.

And if that means that only THEIR citizens can carry concealed, REGARDLESS of the fact that permits issued by other states have equal or superior standards, then so be it. In their view.

The fact that this is exactly the same standard that red states use to not recognize same-sex marriages from other states. They see crushing same-sex relationships and making life for those that "choose" to be "h-h-homosexuals" as difficult as possible as a laudable, beneficial social goal. In their view, of course.



Remember, of course, a lot of progressives in solidly blue states got labeled things worse than "asshole" for things like Prop 8 and Scott Brown.

[apocalypsehow]

36. A reasonable assessment, and I appreciate your civil reply. If more of your RKBA brethren would

take the time to disagree so agreeably, perhaps the Gungeon wouldn't be the pit of endless flames it has a deserved reputation for being now.

Thank you for answering my questions.

[krispos42]

37. Not a problem.

Except for one time where I kinda of lost my shit in the Gungeon, I've tried to be civil... or at least verbose. :D

[The Straight Story]

30. So was that assault rifle concealed? (nt)

[vcc]

35. what is House up to?!

So they want to make it easier for violence to occur, in the midst of the amped-up mood of this country now? This is ROTTEN to the core and stinks to high heaven.