Everywhere.

[Fire Walk With Me]

From Mike Treder on Facebook:



http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/01/28/remarks-president-situation-egypt

[piratefish08]

1. thank you.

[Vincardog]

2. By their ACTIONS shall ye know them

[fasttense]

20. Ah someone who actually read the bible. n/t

[Uncle Joe]

3. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, Fire Walk With Me.

[gratuitous]

4. In answer to your question: No.

I don't know who that "President Barack Obama" that the quote is attributed to is, but someday our president might want to make that person's acquaintance, talking about universal rights and such. Like the universal right to a trial, and the right not to be subjected to cruel and unusual punishment, and the right to due process before being deprived of property, liberty or life.

[MineralMan]

5. Nicely put together.

[Fire Walk With Me]

6. Mike Treder on Facebook. He rocks...

[PufPuf23]

7. Has POTUS Obama said anything about thestate-sponsored violence in the USA? nt

[Amonester]

10. ****crickets****

The Whole World Watched

The Whole World Wanders (why the double-standard?) :shrug:

The Whole World Waits (for a good-enough explanation...)

[Luminous Animal]

35. His Ministerium für Heimatschutz is advising local police agencies.

http://gothamist.com/2011/11/16/justice_dept_official_raids_of_occu.php

[Zorra]

8. That's a major work of art right there.

Thank you.

[girl gone mad]

9. k & r

[Tatiana]

11. Well, to be fair, these aren't the only words he's uttered only to make an about-face later.

“And understand this: If American workers are being denied their right to organize and collectively bargain when I’m in the White House, I’ll put on a put on a comfortable pair of shoes myself. I’ll walk on that picket line with you as president of the United States.”

"It is true that I would roll back the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest Americans back to the level they were under Bill Clinton, when I don't remember rich people feeling oppressed." (April 2008 - said on Faux Noise Sunday, no less...)


I don't know if he meant those things when he said them or if he was feeding us a bunch of BS. All I know is that right now, with economic hell having broken loose on the middle class, with more children living in poverty than ever before, with more families on food stamps than ever more, our President was content to allow austerity to be his focus.

At best, you can describe his leadership on middle-class and poor families as apathetic. At worst, harmful. Sort of the same way I view casting a ballot for him in the upcoming election. I hope he won't get the urge to "negotiate" (cave) if he gains another term. At the same time, I'm very afraid of the real harm that can be done if he decides to flex his post-partisan muscles.

Thank the Lord for OWS.

[The Doctor.]

38. To also 'Be Fair', it would help to recognize

That he's been out of the country during these recent crackdowns.

I'll be interested to hear what he says when he gets back.


Meanwhile, characterizing his inability to get what he stated he wanted and never stated otherwise as an 'about face' is very dishonest.

[DaveJ]

12. To be fair, in Egypt there were hundreds killed and thousands injured

That's no excuse for the criminal assaults by the cops. Every last one of those police should be arrested. But there is, so far, no intentional killing on the scale of Egypt. It's sort of like comparing our indentured servitude to slavery. It's a MUCH lesser form of the same thing.

Also, what the cops are doing is clearly in violation of existing laws. They just happen to be very good at avoiding arrest.

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. How bad does a police state have to get before we are ready to call it what it is?

[MedleyMisty]

15. We aren't allowed to talk about it until we're all hanging out in the barracks

before going out on work detail. If we talk about it before then we might be able to change things before it gets to that point, and the fascists wouldn't like that.

[Vincardog]

21. The supporters of the muddy middle will always say "just a little MORE"

[Fire Walk With Me]

14. It's beginning to look a lot like Egypt:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/18/occupy-oakland-police-beating-veteran?CMP=twt_gu

[dixiegrrrrl]

16. The cops pointed guns at the person trying to take pictures of the beating.

"I was shoved out of the way, and I had several guns pointed my way.

"I remember specifically one officer right in front of me having his gun pointed point blank at me."

(Sure glad this is "just a little" fascism.)


edited for puctuation

[Hatchling]

17. It's beginning to look a lot like Egypt

It's beginning to look a lot like Egypt
Ev'rywhere you go;
Take a look at the men in blue beating us once again
With pepper spray and tearing faces aglow.
It's beginning to look a lot like Egypt
Arrests in ev'ry park
But the prettiest sight to see is the baton that will be
On your own poor head.

[Fire Walk With Me]

18. ...

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[eridani]

19. Pretty good

But where is Salmon Chanted Evening these days?

[SammyWinstonJack]

25. ...

:thumbsup:

[Luminous Animal]

36. Everywhere we go!

Now there is a holiday song if I ever heard one!

[The Doctor.]

22. We should print this out and mail it to the White House. By the THOUSANDS.

Although I'm starting to suspect that there are reasons he can't come down on this. Haven't figured out the dynamic yet.

[LWolf]

23. Great idea.

THIS should be on billboards around the country.

[XemaSab]

26. Because his corporate masters wouldn't like it

There's your explanation right there.

[The Doctor.]

28. It would be comforting if it were that simple. But it's not either.

[hulka38]

29. If you allow yourself to

entertain the possibility that OWS is a major threat to the status quo and Obama is a status quo guy, then you'll put your mind at ease before you know it. Otherwise, someone will come up with something you can read that kinda makes sense if you believe hard enough. And the struggle will go on.

[The Doctor.]

30. I have done exactly that. But the facts cast a great deal of doubt on the

'Status quo guy' theory.

[hulka38]

31. Always keep that possibility open

and let me know how the battle goes in the future will you?

[The Doctor.]

32. Never dismiss possibilities. Just assign probability until they are determined.

It is very likely that Obama is on our side, but up against forces he knows he can't fight head-on.

All of his actions demonstrate this is most likely the case. Otherwise he would not have already done so of the good he could get away with.

[TBF]

33. Which facts "cast a great deal of doubt on the status quo guy theory" -

from where I'm sitting he's seems pretty status quo. It's nice to have an attractive, articulate president who doesn't embarrass on a daily basis. At least that's what I was thinking when he was elected. But the on-going wars and his willingness to ignore the 99% speaks for itself.

[The Doctor.]

34. This gets tiresome.

Normally, I don't mind curing ignorance, but when it's this deliberate I know that I'd be wasting my time.

'Status quo' = 'no changes'. Unless you're truly deliberately ignorant, you know damn well how many things he's changed for the better.

I have a rule I try to follow;

Love love,
Hate hate,
Fear fear,
Ignore the ignorant.

Bye.

[TBF]

39. No facts as usual. I'm not surprised. nt

[Luminous Animal]

37. It is an excellent idea.

I hope you don't mind but I am going to make this suggestion and OP.

[The Doctor.]

40. Not at all. It would be excellent if there were a thousand of these waiting for him

when he gets back.

Problem is this; If he comes down on the side of the protestors, then Faux Noise and Limbaugh get bloody raw meat to throw to the idiot wingnuts, they'll be in the streets with guns in no time. If he comes down against it, then the board Obama haters get to scream "We told you so!" bloody murder about how he's 'sold us out'. If he gets 'political' about it and gives neither condemnation or support, he'll be lambasted for giving 'just another pretty speech'. If he says nothing, then he's "abandoned" the people.

He just can't fucking win.

[SammyWinstonJack]

24. K&R

:applause:

[SammyWinstonJack]

27. An addition would be the pic where the cop is spraying

peaceful protesters as he might spray cockroaches.:grr: