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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 07:43 AM
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Rep. Lewis: Declaration's ‘Pursuit of Happiness’ allows congress to force you to buy insurance
Rep. John Lewis Says Declaration's ‘Pursuit of Happiness’ Language and 14th Amendment Authorize Congress to Force People to Buy Health Insurance

(CNSNews.com) -Rep. John Lewis (D-Ga.) said on Tuesday that the government should require individuals to buy health insurance and cited the Preamble to the Constitution, the Declaration of Independence’s “pursuit of happiness” language and the 14th Amendment as the sources of Congress’ authority to enact such a mandate.

“I think people should be required to get health insurance. We require people to get insurance for their automobile state by state but the federal government has an obligation to encourage by law, moral persuasion, to get people to get health insurance,” Lewis told CNSNews.com on Tuesday after a House Democratic Steering and Policy Committee hearing in opposition to Republican efforts to repeal the health-care law enacted last year.


One of the primary complaints Republicans have had about the health-care law is that it forces individuals to buy health insurance, which entails a power that many Republicans argue the Constitution does not give to Congress. Currently, 27 states are suing the federal government, arguing that the health-care law is in fact unconstitutional.

CNSNews.com also asked Lewis what part of the Constitution gives Congress the authority to require individuals to buy health insurance.

“Well, when you start off with the Preamble of the Constitution, you talk about the pursuit of happiness," said Lewis. "You go to the 14th Amendment--it’s equal protection under the law and we have not repealed the 14th Amendment. People have a right to have health care. It’s not a privilege but a right."


http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-john-lewis-pursuit-happiness-and-14t#
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 07:45 AM
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1. Say What?!?!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 07:54 AM
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2. Bad use of our documents.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-11 07:56 AM by mmonk
Article 1, Sec. 8 would be a better place to look.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:56 AM
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13. Exactly "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and"
"To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;"

I don't believe the mandate IS Constitutional but the government has already used this as their defense. If it IS found Constitutional it will be the very broad interpretation of the Commerce Clause.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 09:19 AM
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17. The commerce clause was also used in establishment of the civil rights
movement.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:05 AM
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3. Well he is wrong about that.
The Declaration has no legal standing. The Constitution however does, and there is that pesky preamble that clearly states that one of the roles of the government, the federal government, is to provide for the general welfare. The government can and does mandate participation in the universal retirement insurance program, and has now mandated participation in the universal health insurance program.
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Gaedel Donating Member (802 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:45 AM
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10. Not exactly
"provide" for the common defense

"promote" the general welfare

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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:54 AM
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12. The courts have found the preamble to be non binding.
It is a declaration of intent. The Articles spell out the specific powers granted to realize those lofty goals.

Still you are right one would think if he were to (incorrectly) pick something "promote the general Welfare" would be chosen.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:08 AM
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4. that's just pathetic. talk about grasping at straws.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:18 AM
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5. FALSE post...
He muttered that as a lead-in to the 14th amendment. He was supporting the foundational claim to value for his prime premise - the 14th Amendment. Intent, then premise as support. Valid argumentation.

FALSE post header. Not the straight story. Show some respect for this great man.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:44 AM
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9. Full header (which does not fit due to space limitations)
Home » News
Rep. John Lewis Says Declaration's ‘Pursuit of Happiness’ Language and 14th Amendment Authorize Congress to Force People to Buy Health Insurance

If someone only reads headlines and not the article then I don't know what to say...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 12:40 PM
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18. BAIT
It's often considered bait on a forum, when the header misleads like that.

You hold responsible the victims of bait, fair enough I guess. Buyer beware.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:32 AM
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6. CNS News is not a legitimate news organization.
Media Research Center is the parent organization of CNS News and a right wing organization.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:34 AM
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7. I would only be pursuing happiness if it was single-payer.
Throwing money at big insurance makes me ill.
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InkAddict Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:42 AM
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8. I'd like to see some "moral persuasion"at the highest levels that Americans with
non-dischargeable Federal(ly) partnered loans get lots of extra points in their Pursuit of Happiness and a job commensurate with the careers that were stolen and sent away to persons, American or not, who don't have those loans...Don't our Royal Leaders want those loans repaid. They could ensure it by hiring lendees at a salary that ensures purchase of a fantastic HCR-policy, not another subsidized product. Dead persons with no estates pay back no loans!
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:48 AM
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11. HOLY SHIT! Sad when the government doesn't understand how the government is granted power ...
Edited on Thu Jan-20-11 08:52 AM by Statistical
First. I mean I think the mandate is Unconstitutional but if it IS Constitutional it is via the Commerce Clause. The US government already made that defense in Virginia lawsuit.

Second. He is aware the Declaration isn't binding in the sense of granting powers right? That the current government didn't exist at the time of the Declaration. Also I am not sure he is aware that the Declaration of Independence and Constitution are two different documents as in one part he say DOI and the other he says Preamble of the Constitution.

Third. Multiple Supreme Court precedents have found the preamble of the Constitution to not be binding.

Lastly. Even if one were to pick something from the preamble would you think "promote the general Welfare" would be a better fit.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 09:07 AM
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14. John Lewis tried to hold out for a better bill, but then Baucus and Obama prevailed
and we got the Shit Insurance Is Now Mandatory Act, instead of health care. Now as a Democrat, he feels obliged to defend the few good advancements of Obama's legislative legacy. That's what happens when you pass shit compromises and lock the party into pretending the overwhelmingly bad nature of the law can be fixed later: good people like John Lewis end up tarnishing themselves with frankly ridiculous arguments trying to defend the indefensible.

Don't judge Lewis by this episode. Remember the "negotiations" over the health care insurance fraud bill. He really tried to hold out for something real and better.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 09:15 AM
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15. Fucking BULLSHIT!
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 09:17 AM
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16. WOW! I think Lewis is quite misinformed.
n/t
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 01:13 PM
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19. The DoI is not a legal document. Moreover, "a right" by definition is that which has no PRICE TAG,
YOU MORON.

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