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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:36 PM Original message |
Obama's Monumental OWS Dilemma |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. OWS is ignoring him. The movement moves forward. nt |
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dbt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. And well they should. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I'm glad he's there rather than a pig like Newt Gingrich, for ex. However... !!! nt |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I have no doubt. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. This is the most powerful movement I've ever experienced in my country. I'm thrilled! nt |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. I don't see it |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. It's a movement. It's not a passage of laws overnight. Let me post for you what a movement is.... |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Not everyone who disagrees with you does so out of ignorance |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I'm not being patronizing. You're confusing a movement with a passage of mass laws to |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. No - you are the one that is confusing a nascent, struggling protest movement |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You still have no idea how a movement works. You want overnight change and you're unwilling |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:56 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. You are not getting it - I expect nothing from OWS |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 09:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. Of course you don't have a better idea. I knew that from the get-go. You have no ideas at all. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. So working to get Democrats elected is worthless? A total waste of time? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
59. Really. Your method has been sooo effective! (NOT) nt |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #59 |
73. So OWS will eventually move into electoral politics? |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Why not? If it goes that way, will you stop them? nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
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Owlet (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. Saying someone is "confused" and "oblivious" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 09:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. So wondering what OWS will actually accomplish is a RW point of view? Wow. nt |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:30 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Please enumerate any and all progressive legislation passed by the OWS. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. OWS is not a governing body. That was my premise to Mr. Hack89, that he's confusing |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. He isn't the one confused over who is getting things accomplished. |
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Fantastic Anarchist (953 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:31 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Certainly not the Democrats. |
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Owlet (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:09 AM Response to Reply #58 |
69. OK..I'm trying to understand where you're coming from |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. I'm saying it's a movement. What did you think it was? nt |
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Owlet (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 04:58 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Well, I think t's a series of protest events |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:00 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. It began on 9/17/11, and you consider that long duration? You need a chill pill |
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Owlet (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. There's no talking to you |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:49 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I understand you perfectly well. You're against the movement, and you have no other ideas nt |
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unionworks (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #83 |
93. sounds like the DLC |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 07:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Anyone who allows attitude rather than substance to guide their beliefs |
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Owlet (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 07:38 AM Response to Reply #88 |
108. Huh? |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:06 PM Response to Reply #108 |
110. Not a physician. |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:44 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. Facepalm The ignorance is astounding. |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:16 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Smack yourself in the head all you want to. |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:09 AM Response to Reply #66 |
76. False premise. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #76 |
91. The right-wing powers that be have had 30+ years to get us to this point. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
81. You're really asking that? |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #66 |
89. Next your going to tell me Rosa Parks accomplished nothing. |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 04:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
106. Ask Bank Of America if they see it |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Yeah, pretty excited here too. |
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Sarah Ibarruri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
61. Thanks. :) nt |
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donheld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:46 AM Response to Reply #12 |
64. Sarah, I'm sorry |
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Kaleko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #64 |
84. What donheld said. |
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PETRUS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. Question |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
39. It's just a theory of mine. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:23 AM Response to Reply #1 |
90. I agree with that. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. he's got Egypt's back, not ours |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. He didn't do anything about Egypt. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. WAKE UP |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. He said that |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Ummm... that's kind of the point of the OP. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. LOL |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Where is he not? |
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hedgetrimmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
62. that'sthecruz of the matter |
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fostercareinjustice (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
3. As OWS evolves I think it'll be safe for him to side with OWS. I think he'll HAVE to. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. That's what I'm hoping. |
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Hutzpa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
5. I am 100% behind this |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
7. No matter what he does, he IS picking a side. nt |
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gratuitous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes, best not to piss off Limbaugh and his minions |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
11. So are you saying that the President should not take a stand |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. The latter, of course... |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Then he is a weak person |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
74. American politics doesn't breed for strength. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. For the most part, I agree. |
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Huey P. Long (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
15. I'm thinking it'll be #2...and it will be number two. |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. No, he should not. |
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Huey P. Long (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. I'm not sure if I am communicating clearly, or I think you misunderstand me. |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
17. I vote for #1 |
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Capitalocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 05:58 PM Response to Original message |
21. There's a fifth option. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. +1, this is mostly about justice after all, not right or left n/t |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. I'd like that, but it still winds up in the #4 category as the same scenario |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
45. I think you over estimate American politicians, including Obama |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
26. Interesting line of thought. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:13 PM Response to Original message |
27. Obama ran on repairing economic inequality. If he can't side with #OWS |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. Oh, he can. He just has to be very careful how he does it. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
29. The only solution that does NOT result in things getting worse is Obama 'coming to jesus' |
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graywarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 06:44 PM Response to Original message |
32. Rec'd |
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gkhouston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
38. It doesn't matter whether he does anything to "prove Fox right". |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
40. This is a good and thoughtful analysis. Not sure I agree with it but thanks for putting it out there |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:41 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. Well, I respect your opinion. Is there something specific |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
44. Our politicians do not have to be for or against the movement |
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FirstLight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 10:34 PM Response to Reply #44 |
54. +1000!!! |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:39 AM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Exactly, and if he says and does nothing, he will also lose all credibility |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:47 AM Response to Reply #44 |
94. Thank you. nt |
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gate of the sun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-19-11 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
56. what Obama could do |
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The Doctor. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:52 AM Response to Reply #56 |
68. See 'option 4'. |
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Marr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
65. I think this crackdown was timed to coincide with his being outside the country. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
70. Everything isn't about Obama. The movement speaks on its own. |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
72. I don't know which number this could be: |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
75. So in order "not to tick off the far right". . Obama should ignore the 99% |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 11:25 AM Response to Original message |
77. OWS is the one with a dilemma |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:41 AM Response to Reply #77 |
97. They don't have enough money to (directly) influence an election. |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 08:06 AM Response to Reply #97 |
109. So what is the end game for OWS? |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
78. His dilemma is how can he keep from being exposed by the 99% |
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roman7 (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-20-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #78 |
85. i agree with the dr. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 12:40 AM Response to Original message |
92. I don't think it's much of a dilemma. He'll do number one, which is the safest political bet |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I don't care whether he supports the movement or not, |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:28 AM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Well you could say he owes a lot of things |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 01:50 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Polls: 60 percent of Americans say America would be better off |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. Sadly, I don't think that's all that important |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:26 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. You can think the OWS movement is not important, of course. |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:47 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. I like to think of myself as a dispassionate observer of most things |
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Amonester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 02:59 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. It's alright. Help for the 99% "person of the year" if you please.:-) |
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RZM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:27 AM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Sorry, I have to go for the Arab Springers |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:01 AM Response to Original message |
103. This is the first thing Obama MUST do |
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saras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
104. Perfect summary. |
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girl_interrupted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-11 04:32 AM Response to Reply #104 |
107. TY |
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