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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:11 PM
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Dude wrote: "Why don't these people simply move when they are asked to? Is this how we are to solve all our disagreements in the future? Yes, we have a right to peacefully assemble. But, does that include blocking bridges, road, intersections??? If you actually look closely at what happens in these confrontations, the protesters are baiting the police. Why must they break a law to get their point across? Maybe next time I get pulled over for speeding I'll just tell the police I am protesting US foreign policy. Will you back me?"

Bigmack wrote back..."Why don't they simply move on...? Because this is the United States... not Iran or Syria or North Korea. Because the 1st Amendment guarantees us the right to peacefully assemble. Because this country was founded on NOT "simply moving on". From the Boston Tea Party to the Civil Rights marches... from the Flint strike to the Haymarket riot... from the Civil War draft riots to the Veterans Bonus march... real Americans don't "simply move on". If it's inconvenient or upsetting to some people.... well, perhaps they need to review the history of our country. We are a fractious people. Baiting the police...? You mean by students sitting down on their campus? And that merits fire-hose quantities of pepper spray? Actually, your opinion... and mine.... are immaterial. The courts have ruled very specifically about what the police and authorities can and cannot do. The policeman in the picture above is in violation of the constitution... http://public.findlaw.com/civil-rights/more-civil-right...
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-9th-circuit/1332957.html The protestors at the Boston Massacre baited the redcoats, and refused to disperse... the fallen there are heroes. The Boston Tea Party...?....Violent protestors destroying private property. The Civil Rights marches...? Pronounced illegal and the marchers beaten unmercifully. Breaking the law to get their point across is called "civil disobedience", and is part of the American experience... as is "not-so-civil disobedience. There's another point to this... if demonstrators are on public property exercising their constitutional rights and are assaulted by police, who has committed the crime? I noticed you didn't mention the crimes and frauds of the people that OWS and others are protesting. Where's the outrage directed at those people, who certainly did more to hurt this country than blocking sidewalks?"
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rustydog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:15 PM
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1. So many people don't reallize that supporting free speech
means having to support speech you do not agree with,
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appleannie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 09:17 PM
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2. That is the by far the best argument I have seen. Even an idiot should understand it.
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 09:18 PM by appleannie1
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 10:58 PM
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3. You're forgetting women's rights...
Edited on Sun Nov-20-11 11:00 PM by EC
the Iron Jawed Angels - standing in front of the capital day in and day out, shaming the Congress as they walked past every day.
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Bigmack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 12:04 AM
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5. Excellent! I'll add the Suffragettes and modern women pioneers. nt
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 12:56 AM
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8. Please do and post it
I have used the same info in bits and pieces to counter the inconvenience meme but your post puts it all together so well, much better than I can do.
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 03:55 PM
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10. yes, and those women had to bear the violence of authorities, physically carrying them away
as well as the contempt of passersby, being spit on and worse by men.

OWS protestors have documented in words and photos being physically mauled (sexually) by men--officers and crowd members both. Women protecting entrance to Planned Parenthood clinics have been mauled similarly by "christian" men opposing them.

Sexual intimidation and attack are to womens' uprising as fire hoses were to African Americans during the civil rights marches.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-11 11:07 PM
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4. wow....
...what a great response. KnR!
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StarsInHerHair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 12:31 AM
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6. yep, you've noticed the pattern of progress
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 12:34 AM
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7. "Pardon the inconvenience, we are trying to change the world."
Thanks for the post.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 01:25 AM
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9. When when they are wrong they can change things
Prohibition big mistake brought about with a protest movement.
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freshwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 08:26 PM
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11. Bigmack, you are awesome. Further proof the baggers didn't understand the Boston Tea Party.
Edited on Mon Nov-21-11 08:44 PM by freshwest
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-11 08:30 PM
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12. Oh gosh... sorry... my mistake...
We should have all just moved over... everyone before and after MLK should have just apologized and moved on...

Crimes are being committed. They need underscored. You can't draw attention to crimes by moving out of the way and keeping your mouth shut.
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