Am I misremembering previous US presidents proposing the specifics of bills and then pushing them?

[Stinky The Clown]

I can't say as I can name any particular bill that any particular president pushed, but I seem to recall "grand idea" bills of years and decades past. There were bills with names like "The Crime Bill" or the "Schools" bill. That sort of thing.

Am I imagining that used to be a presidential tactic or was it?

[woo me with science]

1. Proposing anything first is so last century,

Even Congress doesn't do that anymore.

The only way to do it now is in closed door committees with a manufactured crisis, and you announce what you have decided at the last minute.

[xchrom]

2. +1

[leeroysphitz]

6. And they wouldn't need to do it that way if they were doing something people actually favored. n/t

[woo me with science]

10. Bingo.

We have a winner.

[PoliticAverse]

3. You're not imagining things. Presidents have often submitted bills to congress. n/t

[frazzled]

4. If you're talking about the "debt ceiling" stuff

Let it be known that the president was quite specific--and the trigger that will be pulled (which massively cuts defense while protecting Medicaid, Food Stamps, Social Security and other programs entirely) was crafted by him--and agreed to by the Republicans--in the event the Super Commitee failed.

The Republicans and the entire Congress voted to accept this trigger in the event of failure. And the president, if you recall last summer and all the hits he took, spent weeks and weeks in endless meetings hammering out this deal. So he DID propose specifics.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. No, I'm actually taliking about "years and decades" ago. Not last year.

[frazzled]

9. I see. It just an accident that it ...

brings up the issue being bandied about by all the conservative pundits right now, that Obama didn't get involved in the specifics of the debt committee and that is why it failed.

[PufPuf23]

7. You are not imagining, Stinky. nt

[Edweird]

8. That was back when presidents were poweful. For whatever reason, Obama is as weak as a newbornkitten

He is powerless against the GOP. :eyes: