Breaking: President Obama threatens veto of attempts to bypass sequestration

[brooklynite]

Per MSNBC

[Itchinjim]

1. Good.

[bigwillq]

2. Good

:thumbsup:

[Rosco T.]

3. that was not a threat, it sounded like a 'fricking try me' to me... n/m

[Andy823]

4. Good!

The damned republicans knew what would happen, and they thought democrats were going to fold, but it didn't happen. Now they are scared their big money donors who make billions on military contracts are going to be pissed, so they are trying to change the rules so only cuts for programs that help those in need are put in place while military cuts are not. Once again they are only thinking about their big donors, not the people of this country.

The president needs to put them in their place. They refused to make any kind of a compromise when it came to revenue increases, they refused to disobey lord Grover, and now they can suffer for it. Sure they will try and use this to rally their base of brain dead tea party morons, but if they think those clowns can keep them in office, or take back the WH, they are crazier than the base, and that's pretty damned crazy!

[peacebird]

5. Let us hope the dems show spine....

[woo me with science]

6. What he promised is that deep cuts will still be made in the worst economy since the Depression.

He did not say that the cuts would have to include the 50 percent in Defense cuts that are mandated by the current trigger. He specifically pointed out that there is a full year before this has to take effect and plenty of time to "find" money before the deadline.

You can bank on full funding of the Military Industrial Complex.

[Major Hogwash]

9. Most of it doesn't take effect until 2013. So, the Repubs are going to have to do a funny dance

to try and get around President Obama holding firm to the bullshit those tea party cocksuckers spouted for the last year about cutting the budget!!!

[woo me with science]

11. Most of these cuts don't take effect until 2013,

so they will not have to account for any unpopular cuts they approve until after the 2013 election.

This is the perfect way to slash the budget and save the Military Industrial Complex without being accountable to the people.

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[indepat]

10. And the nearest thing to as good as money in the bank is deep cuts in the

big three which will be supported by possibly all Republicans and those right-wing elected officials with a (D) by their names. :patriot:

[woo me with science]

15. At any rate, over 300 economists warned this President

to focus on jobs and stimulation rather than making deep cuts in this economy during the worst economy since the Great Depression.

He has just promised that the cuts will happen. Even if the protection for the Big Three holds, it is very clear that they are serious about preserving the military budget, which would mean even deeper cuts than the across-the-board cuts that the original trigger promised. They are already working on ways to exempt the military.

Bottom line: This is a brilliant solution for them, because they don't have to account for any of this until after the election.

[indepat]

21. But focusing on jobs and stimulation was not the right-wing solution or agenda: instead we got a

grand bargain in which Speaker Boehner said he got 98% (right wing) of what he wanted. The Speaker probably padded his numbers: the grand bargain was probably only 90% right wing, not 98%. Some grand bargain: some shared sacrifice (brings the concept of cynical euphemism to an art form). :patriot:

[DesertFlower]

7. K&R. nt

[JDPriestly]

8. If Obama holds the line on this, it will be a first.

I'm just waiting till he caves -- once again.

He has not shown strength thus far, why would he start now?

Whose side are you on, Mr. President?

There is no middle way at this point.

You either defend Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, the EPA and education funding or you can forget the second term. Just abandon the American people. But remember, there will be no returning to the greatness America has known if you seek to compromise and neglect the need of ordinary Americans at this time.

Wall Street and the military-industrial complex got their bail-outs. Now the American people need to be protected from the insatiable greed of the wealthy. It's Obama's choice.

Stand firm for the people or capitulate to extremism on the right.

[The Doctor.]

14. So, what should Obama have done so "Show strength"?

I'd really love to hear this.

[JDPriestly]

20. He should have made proposals that would tax the rich and protect

programs like Medicaid, Social Security and Medicare.

He should ask, I repeat, ask, for big cuts to military budgets. Instead he has increased military spending.

He should stop promoting the privatization of schools.

He should encourage his Justice Department to speed their investigations of Wall Street.

A study of corruption and theft of public money in Iraq was done. Prosecutions should follow and the public should be widely informed of them.

Obama should govern to gain respect for his integrity and fire the pawns of Wall Street that serve in his cabinet and on his various advisory councils.

And he should encourage his Justice Department to investigate what happened in Don Siegelman's case more carefully.

He also should have immediately moved to close Guantanamo before it was too late and he should have issued a polity to investigate and prosecute those who approved torture and who tortured helpless prisoners.

[The Doctor.]

24. I'm not sure what planet you live on, but let's look at the reality;

Obama has indeed proposed that the rich should be taxed more and medicaid/ss/medicare should be protected.

But In reality congress shot those down and forced compromise.

Obama has indeed proposed cuts to military spending.

Obama has not 'promoted the privatization of schools'. By letting states opt out of NCLB, he has effectively saved many public schools that might otherwise have gone private.

Wall street investigations not fast enough for you? Since he's actually ordered investigations, I suppose you had to create something to gripe about there.

Yes, there was corruption in Iraq. Not sure how that is Obama's fault. Again, it's not that he hasn't done anything, it's just not enough for you. Subjectivity is not a strong tactic.

The rest either fall into the same 'not fast enough' category, or is something that Obama couldn't do without throwing raw bloody meat to the M$M and touching off a civil war.

Reality is more complicated than to expect a daddy figure to solve all the world's woes in a day. And sometimes a person in his position cannot telegraph every move they intend to make. It's naïve to think otherwise.



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011/04/13/us/politics/comparing-republican-and-obama-budget-plans.html
http://www.politicususa.com/en/obama-nclb

[jorno67]

12. I hope he doesn't cave! n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. Excellent

They should be on notice: you make a deal, you stick to that deal.

End of story. Fifty percent of the trigger cuts WILL come from the military. End of story.

[WildNovember]

17. But won't the other 50% come from social spending -- Social Security, Medicare, etc?

How is that a win?

[bigtree]

22. no

nothing will happen to those programs except some doctor tax

[WildNovember]

23. link?

[spanone]

18. k&r..

[Bandit]

19. If he does what he has done ever since he became President he will cave..

Republicans will succeed in eliminating the trigger for Defense cuts...I would lay odds on it..