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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 03:05 AM
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Paterno Fought Penn State Official Over Punishment of Players (should open some eyes)
STATE COLLEGE, Pa.—Legendary Penn State football coach Joe Paterno clashed repeatedly with the university's former chief disciplinarian over how harshly to punish players who got into trouble, internal emails suggest, shedding new light on the school's effort to balance its reputation as a magnet for scholar-athletes with the demands of running a nationally dominant program.

In an Aug. 12, 2005, email to Pennsylvania State University President Graham Spanier and others, Vicky Triponey, the university's standards and conduct officer, complained that Mr. Paterno believed she should have "no interest, (or business) holding our football players accountable to our community standards. The Coach is insistent he knows best how to discipline his players…and their status as a student when they commit violations of our standards should NOT be our concern…and I think he was saying we should treat football players different from other students in this regard."

The confrontations came to a head in 2007, according to one former school official, when six football players were charged by police for forcing their way into a campus apartment that April and beating up several students, one of them severely. That September, following a tense meeting with Mr. Paterno over the case, she resigned her post,saying at the time she left because of "philosophical differences."

In a statement Monday, Dr. Triponey said: "There were numerous meetings and discussions about specific and pending student discipline cases that involved football players," which she said included "demands" to adjust the judicial process for football players. The end result, she said, was that football players were treated "more favorably than other students accused of violating the community standards as defined by the student code of conduct."

There is so much more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html

Yeah, that JoePa is such a paragon of leadership.
HE and that attitude is exactly what is partly wrong with college sports. Don't ever tell me what an angel he is.
THIS ATTITUDE Is exactly why nothing was done. JoePa should be indicted too, and I hope they find something.
He is disgraceful and a hypocrite.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 03:35 AM
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1. This whole thing just keeps getting weirder and weirder.
Of course, the football program at Penn State brought over 50 million bucks a year to the school, so I guess that explains a whole lot of why people kept looking the other way.

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Nostradammit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 04:04 AM
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2. Fuck Joe Paterno
And fuck all the meatheads all over the country who think and behave as he does.

All my life I've had to watch as "the chosen ones" skate by because of their stupid
athletic abilities. No money for the arts but we got billions for people who can throw
a little ball. Maddening.
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DocMac Donating Member (429 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 05:05 AM
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3. Right...
Fuck Joe, fuck Penn State, and fuck this guvner. Pennsylvania is the ONLY state that does not get taxes from the gas drilling.

As if the state can't use the revenues since they are simply raping the land below us...just like coal.

And I saw on the news that a state university is cutting sports programs like golf, tennis, swimming, etc. I guess because the profit margin just is not cutting it.

This isn't my country. This isn't where I grew up.

I'm hating this bullshit more and more by the day.

And there are so many rethugs.....i'm afraid to go deer hunting because maybe dickhead cheney will be out there. No orange, just a brown shirt.

Fuck it!

End rant.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 05:10 AM
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4. The way Cheney shoots,
you would need an orange Kevlar head covering.
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 06:24 AM
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5. Similar situation right now in Wayne, NJ.
Nine football players alleged to have beaten two boys off campus off hours, leaving one unconscious in the dark.

The Superintendent suspended them from playing in the state play-offs. The Coach intervened and the Board of Education reinstated them.

The community is divided about the controversy.

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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 06:25 AM
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6. Louis Freeh is on the case now to do the cover up
a la Opus Dei
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:05 AM
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9. Interesting theory. Nope, not joking.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 12:44 PM
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13. No joke indeed. Not funny when the cover up the truth
and pretend they have protected the children.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 10:58 AM
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7. Name one campus where football players aren't treated more favorably than others.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:13 AM
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10. pretty much
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:23 AM
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11. I don't care.
Every university needs to reconsider the influence of their programs.

I went to a school where FB is a huge deal. I have called or written the university several times about some shite that came up.

When I was in school, I lived by the jock dorm. For the most part, they were nice guys. Then there were the ones who would sit outside and make remarks about people passing by. Or they threw fire crackers off the roof at people.

Some in my dorm had a running battle with them. We would leave eggs out to age to a ripe condition. A lot of the jocks slept with their windows open. At night, we would throw those eggs through the windows and scoot back through a window somebody had open for us in our dorm. We found out who lived where and tried to hit those that deserved it.

I didn't take ny crap from them.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 01:20 PM
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15. Look at schools without athletic scholarships
Hint: NCAA Division III and NAIA schools. While football players are as typical there as anywhere, the financial stakes are so much lower, that a jock who gets crosswise with the law or school rules will get pretty much the same treatment as anyone else.

It's money that matters.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:04 AM
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8. PSU '71 here. HUGE fan; love my school!!!! Even I, EVEN I, am calling Paterno not only a moral
coward; I am calling him a LIAR.

McQ, I believe, told JoePa exactly what he told the GJ.

And Joe knew from atleast 1998 that JS was a pedophile.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 11:54 AM
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12. Wow. If Joe Paterno can reach the conclusion that football players
are above the law, then why can't anyone else who is in power?
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RobinA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 01:07 PM
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14. I Thought
anyone else in power already did. Athletes getting special treatment isn't exactly news in high school, college, or pro sports.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 02:21 PM
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16. Oh, I know. I know.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-11 02:29 PM
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17. Yeah but everyone else thinks it's the other guy that's dirty
our program is clean :)

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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-11 01:12 AM
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18. Wow.
I thought Joe had more scruples. This is very disappointing.
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