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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:35 PM
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Wondering if you're schizophrenic? Take this test...
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/04/schizoillusion/#

I was trying to get an understanding of the disease and ran into this, it's rather interesting.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:39 PM
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1. It's interesting that they DON'T see the illusion.
Perhaps a certain amount of illusion is necessary for consensus reality sanity.

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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 11:10 PM
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32. Yea, you'd think it would be otherwise.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:40 PM
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2. I was fooled! Finally, proof I'm NOT schizoid!!! WOOHOO!!! n/t
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:03 PM
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11. Schizoid is not at all the same thing as schizophrenic.
"Schizoid" as it is used in the DSM refers to a specific personality disorder marked by a lack of interest in social relationships, being a loner, etc. No hallucinations, no delusions, no disorganized speech, just a profound lack of intrest in social contact. "Schizotypal" Personality Disorder, on the other hand, has many of the features of schizophrenia, but in a milder form, eh*?

Pardon the pedantry, eh*?


*I'm practicing to pass for Canadian in case I need to get out of the country fast.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:41 PM
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28. thank you for pointing this out
schizoid does not equal schizophrenia. it sounds just as bad though :eyes:
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 08:21 AM
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33. Oh. Then I guess the label is still applicable to me. Definitely a loner. nt
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:41 PM
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3. Interesting
K&R
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:44 PM
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4. Okay, now I'm upset
It's not that I want to be schizophrenic but the fact that my brain is tricking me into seeing a convex face is kind of pissing me off.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:02 PM
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9. I've had similar frustration trying to see a figure two dimensionally
in order to break it down into light and shawdow to draw it. Most of the time I give up and draw as if I'm drawing in three dimensions., i.e., as if paper is clay. :crazy:
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:49 PM
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5. I blink and it changes-what does that mean?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:53 PM
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6. I keep trying to see it the correct way and I can't.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 04:57 PM
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7. Me too
It is tempting for me to get drunk and look at it again. But I don't want to deal with dehydration and it screws up my sleep schedule.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:36 PM
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27. I'll work on that experiment then.
;-)
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:01 PM
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8. Well, that's good to know.
(I don't appear to be schizophrenic.)
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:03 PM
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10. The image and video at the link are not tests for schizophrenia. nt
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:28 PM
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16. I think a little
explanation would be helpful. I'm not saying you're wrong, it just kind of contradicts the info in the link I posted.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:04 PM
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12. That is interesting. I found the video below the pic much more helpful
in understanding the concept.
But my head hurts now...:o
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:11 PM
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15. Oops!
I just assumed that's what everyone would be looking at.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 07:34 PM
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25. I stared at the picture and nothing seemed to be happening,
so out of curiosity I scrolled down and found the video.
And watched and watched and watched.

amazing.
glad you posted, thanks.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:06 PM
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13. It really messes with astronomers and photographic intelligence analysts
Surface features on, e.g., the Moon and Mars can appear inside-out after even a few minutes of viewing. (And this is independent of the pareidolia that explains the Face-on-Mars phenomenon.)

You can train yourself to see the illusion both ways; it's the first-take that counts.

--d!
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:08 PM
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14. In watching the video of the Charlie Chaplin head, it rotates clockwise
until the full backside comes into view and the illusion is that it is concave and at that moment the movement reverses so that the head appears to be moving counterclockwise until the front face appears again.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:39 PM
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18. And To Me. . .
. . .the nose appears to be pointing out only when we at a nearly 90 degree angle and then just for a split second as the head turns toward zero degrees, which i think is more reflection and shadows than any psychological phenomenon.

I'm suspicious of these conclusions.
GAC
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:33 PM
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17. So can we legalize weed now?
And just make people look at the backside of a mask before they're allowed to smoke it?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 05:56 PM
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19. huh apparently I'm not schizophrenic
wonder if I smoke some if I'll see it differently?
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BOG PERSON Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 06:00 PM
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20. the good news is, i don't have schizophrenia
the bad news is, this optical illusion is driving me insane anyway!
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 06:24 PM
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21. I know a diagnosed schizophrenic to whom I can show this.
I know she has had trouble with impaired proverb interpretation that most non-schizophrenics can grasp the meaning such as "don't judge a book by its cover" or "don't count your chickens before they hatch".
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 06:27 PM
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22. My grandmother was paranoid schizophrenic
I always worried I might have inherited this (less worry as the years wore on), but this was reassuring.

Thanks for posting this!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 06:32 PM
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24. My father has it too.
The NIH says it's a one in ten type deal where you inherit it. Well, I guess I don't have it. But this is not a hard test. When they use this in practice, it will be more conclusive.

I wonder if the schizophrenics they used were medication naive or on medication?

So:
Yes on the bi-polar.
No on the schizo.

Plus, I go to a doctor for this on a regular basis, and I'd hope he'd pick up on it somewhere along the line.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 06:29 PM
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23. I'd edit the title of this.
Edited on Thu Jan-20-11 06:33 PM by originalpckelly
This might almost pass as a form of medical advice. Their experiment involved a very small sample size. Until it is done on a larger scale it is not wise to pass this off as some type of test. It is very interesting though. Thank you for sharing this with us.

I have before seen this illusion and I guess if it really does show some link between the illness and whether or not you see the illusion, I did see the illusion like non-schizophrenic folks are supposed to.

I'd never heard that it was possible for some people not to see the illusion.

Dr. V.S. Ramachandran has a version, though lower quality, on his website.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 08:34 PM
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26. Amazing.
Interesting.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 09:00 PM
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29. The mask won't stop talking to me long enough to figure it out

Why is it saying those horrible things?
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GKirk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 10:55 PM
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30. That
was very funny!
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 11:08 PM
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31. ooo, that makes my head and eyes hurt. Good video, thanks.
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Broderick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 08:30 AM
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34. That video
is freaky. I can't see it correctly no matter how hard I try to focus in. It switches on me.
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 08:52 AM
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35. Optical illusions fascinate me.
This one didn't fool me, though. I know a butterfly when I see it.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 09:35 AM
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36. We can't see the image correctly...
...because THEY don't want us to see the TRUTH!!!
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 10:21 AM
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37. The conclusion, I guess, is that schizo's see things more clearly
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