TPM: This Thanksgiving, Beware The Sharia Turkey

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http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/this_thanksgiving_beware_the_sharia_turkey.php

You may think that when you buy a Butterball turkey this Thanksgiving you’re as American as apple pie. But, you’d be wrong. In fact, you’re the victim of a “stealth halal” conspiracy.

In a column on The American Thinker, anti-Islam blogger Pamela Geller explains that halal meats are already prevalent throughout most of the meat industry, but now they have even infiltrated the popular frozen turkey producer Butterball.

A citizen activist and reader of my website AtlasShrugs.com wrote to Butterball, one of the most popular producers of Thanksgiving turkeys in the United States, asking them if their turkeys were halal. Wendy Howze, a Butterball Consumer Response Representative, responded: “Our whole turkeys are certified halal.”

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She continues that if you like freedom and hate sharia, you should boycott Butterball and ask them to stop selling these nefarious birds:

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:facepalm.

Wingnuts extreme. American Thinker???

Did anyone ask Michele about this at the debate last night? Newt? Hermie? This could be a rethuglican foreign policy platform.

[TheManInTheMac]

1. That's some tender succulent stupidity right there.

[panader0]

2. What/s the difference betweem halal and kosher?

[hobbit709]

3. Very little in practical terms.

[TheManInTheMac]

4. What happens if I put kosher salt on my halal turkey?

:scared:

[JoePhilly]

6. Baby Jesus will cry.

:rofl:

[MattBaggins]

22. Not a problem at all

Halal requires the draining of blood just as kosher does. Some Muslims use a vinegar wash for the same purpose that Kosher salt is used.

[MattBaggins]

19. For a layman there is no difference and a real kick in the teeth for Geller's ilk

According to liberal interpretations of the Quran; kosher food is automatically halal and vice versa.

Sarah 6:5 states:

"This day are things good and pure made lawful to you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them."

[RevStPatrick]

5. In practical terms, halal simply means...

...that the animal is slaughtered by cutting its throat, but not its spinal chord, and that it CAN'T be slaughtered in the name of any god other than Allah. It can be slaughtered in the name of Allah, but that's not required, as long as it is not slaughtered in the name of Zeus or Kali or the FSM.

For all intents and purposes, Allah and Yaweh are the same dude...

[Erose999]

7. So can a turkey be both Halal and Kosher? If they're slaughtered in the name of the same god?

[RevStPatrick]

10. They don't need to be slaughtered in the name of any god.

One of the requirements for being kosher is that the meat is processed and stored away from milk products. Muslims will eat kosher meat if there is no halal meat available, but strict kosher jews will not eat halal meat if there is no kosher available. It may have been stored in the fridge next to the cheese.

Kosher is stricter than halal, because of the dairy requirement.

[MattBaggins]

21. There is also the disagreement over whether "stunning"

is allowed. Stunning is more likely to be accepted under Muslim guidelines than under Jewish.

Stunning is OK as long as it is not the source of death. Or not.

[MattBaggins]

20. Yes kosher is automatically halal

Sarah 6:5 states:

"This day are things good and pure made lawful to you. The food of the People of the Book is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them."

[Alameda]

13. Actually, it's a little more than that..............

Halal slaughter is called dhabihah (aka zabiha).....in addition to what you have said, the animal must be healthy (no downers) it must be bleed immediately after the slaughter. The animal can not see the knife it's being slaughtered with, other animals must not see the slaughter. The blade should be as sharp as possible and the slaughter must be as painless as possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah#Prerequisites

[RevStPatrick]

15. Yes, that's right.

Don't be cruel to your food.
It amazes me that people would have a problem with that!

[MattBaggins]

23. Which is my point of contention with both kosher and halal

They are more about ritual killing and less to do with humane killing. They are left overs from ancient times and less humane. Letting an animal bleed to death in a manner that intentionally leaves the brain stem intact is not more humane than what a direct and sudden blow to the brain stem or stunning would achieve.

I have no problem with meat eating or how Jews and Muslims conduct animal slaughter, but it is an outright fallacious argument to claim it is a overly humane method. All those two systems did was give pastoral Jews and Muslims a way to consider themselves better than tribal hunter "pagans" and look down on them.

[RevStPatrick]

25. Interesting perspective.

I suppose one millennium's humane is another millennium's cruel.
I always thought it had to do more with sanitation, than with being humane.

[KamaAina]

17. Allah is simply the Arabic word for God

Arabic-speaking Christians (and even a few Jews!) use it, too.

[Erose999]

8. I, for one, welcome our new overlords and their delicious Halal turkeys. It is a faux pas to eat

gravy on one's couscous and felafel?

[TheManInTheMac]

9. A treat for meat that's hard to beat: Praise Allah

[LiberalEsto]

11. Will I have to put a veil over it?

Or will the aluminum foil be sufficient?

:7

[CRK7376]

12. Pepsi through the nose on that one!!!

I'm still laughing and that buring sensation in my nose was worth the laugh.

[Douglas Carpenter]

14. well I have to admit - when I got my turkey out of the wrapper and saw this...I was a bit suspicious

[Xithras]

16. The irony of this is...

...that the same "conservatives" who oppose the "cruel throat-cutting slaughter" of halal turkeys will almost universally defend putting a bullet into a wild animal and tracking it through the forest until it bleeds to death.

I'm not anti-hunting (hell, I've hunted all my life), but the hypocrisy is staggering.

[KamaAina]

18. What does she care?

She only serves the right wing, anway. :eyes:

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

24. Good one ! n/t