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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:44 PM Original message |
So why do Democrats have to engage in actual Senate floor filibusters and Republican don't? |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. He should just use his privilage to hold the bill |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. You might be right. Can't one Senator alone put a hold on a bill or am I wrong? |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. The hold power applies to any legislation I believe |
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former9thward (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Senator Wyden has said publicly that he is opposed to holds. |
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inademv (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-11 02:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
32. That doesn't change reality |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
2. so will the president veto it? - you know, in the name of freedom of information and transparency nt |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Not if President Obama supports government control over the internet. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
6. Because filibusters don't work that way. |
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SomethingFishy (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
15. They certainly don't. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 02:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Uh, NO. |
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SomethingFishy (552 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 03:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. UH YES! What they did was change the rules so you |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 04:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. this is a semantic difference - |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
31. Do you have any evidence for your claim? nt |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
7. The only one who has actually Fillibustered anything was not a Republican or Democrat |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. No the Republicans filibustered many things in the last several years - |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. I dont think there has been an actual filibuster since Mr Smith left Washington. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Democrats forced a traditional Republican filibuster to pass an unemployment extension on March 2010 |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Not quite the same thing as reading a cookbook for 2 days. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:20 PM Response to Original message |
9. Niether do. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Not really. To filibuster anything in the Senate you need at least one Senator to filibuster. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 02:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Not really - the rules changed |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 03:41 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. So what prohibits one or more Senators from filibustering on the Senate floor? |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The fact that they can file a cloture motion which after a specified |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. As I understand they can file a motion during a procedural filibuster but the Senate can't act on .. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 07:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Has there been a "real filibuster" that lasted the 30 hours needed |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. That's because Senate Democrats don't engage in real filibusters beyond 30 hours even when they can. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. What you describe as a "real filibuster" hasn't existed for more than 40 years. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
14. Because our freedom loving president will veto it...won't he? |
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Bragi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. It's a new mystery of the ages /nt |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 03:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. It's all very mysterious how some rules that apply to Democrats don't apply to Republicans. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 07:28 PM Response to Original message |
28. They don't. You are engaging in obfuscation. |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-23-11 09:48 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Thanks for your simplistic clarity. Too bad it has nothing to do with Senator Wyden's filibuster. |
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tritsofme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-24-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Wyden is drawing attention to himself and his cause. |
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