Do the Occupy Black Friday protesters REALLY think they can stop THIS?

[GreenStormCloud]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dIBL4tYQPI

Those people are battering down the doors to get in. They don't give a damn about anybody's politics. People get trampled to death every year in those stampedes. They will simply run over the top of anybody getting in their way. And Occupy Black Friday thinks that by standing in the entrance to the store they will stop a mob like that?

[Earth_First]

1. Where is it planned to stand *in front of stores* to prevent opening?

Could you kindly link that?

[GreenStormCloud]

9. Where else are you going to stand if you want to occupy a store beore it opens?

Here is the website: http://www.stopblackfriday.com/

Ocuppy means occupy, not boycott.

[Luminous Animal]

13. Nope. No evidence of occupying anything. Handing out fliers seems to be about the

extent of any planned action.

[Earth_First]

16. Or a few :gasp: flash mobs... n/t

[Earth_First]

15. Swing and a miss...

Next...

[NYC_SKP]

2. I hope the Occupy Black Friday protests are few and thinly covered by media, stupid idea. And...

...the whole Black Friday mob materialist mentality seen in those videos makes me very sad and pessimistic about the future for our children, grandchildren, species, planet.

:cry:

[Ilsa]

3. That's dangerous.

Those people are hoping to get the most desired crap from China at the most discounted prices. They won't care if they run over their own mothers.

[Downwinder]

4. Where are the crowd control ninjas with their turtle suits?

[roseBudd]

5. very stupid idea. The people in line to get in are the 99%. 1%ers don't need bargain crap

[Richardo]

11. Exactly

[Skittles]

6. ? OWS is not anti-consumer

they are for economic justice

[Scuba]

7. Here in Wisconsin we'll be offering those waiting opportunity to sign Recall Walker petitions. n/t

[Rex]

8. Humans.

Meh.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Please kindly point to the ga that reached consensus

On stopping that.

I swear, the stoopid hurts.

[NYC_SKP]

18. No GA was convened. But Adbusters (the origin of OWS) does suggest actions:

It's part of #OCCUPYXMAS, one of many causes, and "Buy Nothing Day", another one.

http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/occupyxmas-kicks-nov-2526.html

Occupy Xmas kicks off tomorrow:

...Occupy gave the world a new way of thinking about the fat cats and financial pirates on Wall Street. Now lets give them a new way of thinking about the holidays, about our own consumption habits. Lets’ use the coming 20th annual Buy Nothing Day to launch an all-out offensive to unseat the corporate kings on the holiday throne.

This year’s Black Friday will be the first campaign of the holiday season where we set the tone for a new type of holiday culminating with #OCCUPYXMAS. As the global protests of the 99% against corporate greed and casino capitalism continues, lets take the opportunity to hit the empire where it really hurts…the wallet.

On Nov 25/26th we escape the mayhem and unease of the biggest shopping day in North America and put the breaks on rabid consumerism for 24 hours. Flash mobs, consumer fasts, mall sit-ins, community events, credit card-ups, whirly-marts and jams, jams, jams! We don’t camp on the sidewalk for a reduced price tag on a flat screen TV or psycho-killer video game. Instead, we occupy the very paradigm that is fueling our eco, social and political decline.

Historically, Buy Nothing Day has been about fasting from hyper consumerism – a break from the cash register and reflecting on how dependent we really are on conspicuous consumption. On this 20th anniversary of Buy Nothing Day, we take it to the next level, marrying it with the message of #occupy…...

:patriot:

[pnwmom]

20. Buy Nothing Day is an extremely dumb idea.

OWS people want jobs, don't they? A poor Black Friday would be another strong NEGATIVE jolt to the economy. So much of the market is based on business confidence, and poor sales on Black Friday could destroy what little is left.

It makes me wonder about the real motivation of the particular people who are pushing this idea.

[nadinbrzezinski]

24. You shoud read the mag

Not like they hide it or anything.

[sabrina 1]

32. Anything wrong with buying 'made in America' products, instead of

third world countries which use child and slave labor so Americans can get cheap merchandise AND export their jobs at the same time?

I think it's a stupid idea, eg, for any Progressive to continue to buy products made by slave labor and then talk about 'jobs'. If the jobs are being done by children in China, our manufacturing jobs are gone. Only 9% of the workforce here now is in manufacturing.

Aside from the total immorality of slave and child labor, this is where the Big Corps go with America's jobs.

I think you have not thought this through.

This movement is about economic equality, GLOBALLY, not just here. Equal pay for those now forced to work for nothing to make Big Corps rich, all over the World, and a ban on child labor. No tax breaks for American Corps who do not adhere to the same labor laws we have here.

[pnwmom]

39. Adbusters is calling it the "Buy Nothing Day" not the "Buy America Day."

I think it's a stupid idea for any progressive who is worried about jobs to encourage people to buy nothing on an important day businesses use to determine how much to produce -- and how many people to hire -- over the next year.

I think you have not thought this through.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Buy nothing is very different

From physically standing there. Buy nothing is at least five years old.

[NYC_SKP]

25. 20th anniversary. (nt)

[nadinbrzezinski]

28. Thanks

[pnwmom]

40. Buy nothing is current in Seattle.

http://occupyseattle.org/blog/2011-11-21/occupy-black-friday-day-protest-celebration-community-and-really-really-free-market

[Luminous Animal]

12. I haven't heard a thing about stopping anyone from shopping. Where did you? Link?

[JackRiddler]

14. You crazy anarchists with your "facts." Friday is a holy day and those who know it...

are allowed to dream whatever they like.

[Luminous Animal]

17. Thanks for the laugh!

These misinformation posts really annoy me.

[NYC_SKP]

19. They aren't about stopping people from shopping, per se, but they are suggesting actions...

And the actions are meant to "hit them where it will hurt"

http://www.adbusters.org/blogs/adbusters-blog/occupyxmas-kicks-nov-2526.html

This year’s Black Friday will be the first campaign of the holiday season where we set the tone for a new type of holiday culminating with #OCCUPYXMAS. As the global protests of the 99% against corporate greed and casino capitalism continues, lets take the opportunity to hit the empire where it really hurts…the wallet.

On Nov 25/26th we escape the mayhem and unease of the biggest shopping day in North America and put the breaks on rabid consumerism for 24 hours. Flash mobs, consumer fasts, mall sit-ins, community events, credit card-ups, whirly-marts and jams, jams, jams! We don’t camp on the sidewalk for a reduced price tag on a flat screen TV or psycho-killer video game. Instead, we occupy the very paradigm that is fueling our eco, social and political decline.

Historically, Buy Nothing Day has been about fasting from hyper consumerism – a break from the cash register and reflecting on how dependent we really are on conspicuous consumption. On this 20th anniversary of Buy Nothing Day, we take it to the next level, marrying it with the message of #occupy…...


:patriot:

[pnwmom]

21. No, it will hit the whole American economy where it hurts.

Buy Nothing Day is an attempt by anarchists to kick the economy while it's down. They don't care because they want total revolution.

[athenasatanjesus]

22. Why is our economy reliant on us buying in excess to begin with?

Our economies health should have more to do with how we productively and efficiently we utilize our resources.

[Desertrose]

27. Ding ding ding!!! We have a winner. You are exactly right!

All this buying of imported crap certainly doesn't help the 99%.

[pnwmom]

37. An idealistic "should" doesn't solve the immediate problem.

We need to get the economy going again if more jobs are to be created. Like it or not, businesses decide how much to produce in the coming year and how many employees to hire and fire based on sales starting on Thanksgiving and continuing over the Christmas season.

[NYC_SKP]

36. The current economic model based on growing consumerism is unsustainable.

It simply has to end and it will, better that it end and become a sustainable one in a controlled fashion.

It will hurt but it will hurt less if it's addressed sooner rather than later.

[pnwmom]

38. Perhaps so, but advocating "no shopping" on a day that businesses

use to calculate demand for the next year is anything but change "in a controlled fashion."

[NYC_SKP]

41. They calculate that way by choice. It wasn't always so- it could change, and should.

I want businesses to thrive, but I want them to at least slowly wean themselves away from these unsustainable models.

Happy weekend!

:hi:

[JackRiddler]

35. My god, the horror, the horror! Mall sit-ins! Lord help us all!!!!

[pipi_k]

26. Wow....that is, well...nauseating

I mean, there's shopping, and then there's acting like a bunch of starving animals.

Like they're all competing for the last hamburger on earth.


I am going to shop online tomorrow. At home. Where it's warm and quiet and safe.

[GreenStormCloud]

34. I do most of my non-grocery shopping online too.

Faster, no gasoline expense, cheaper, and Amazon contracts with lots of Mom & Pop outlets. Often when you buy from them the order is transmitted to some small business.

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29. This is an outrage!!!

We can't have people buying stuff and stores making money.

it's unacceptable and I won't stand for it.

[pipi_k]

30. Me neither!!!!

Just think of how many more people we could put out of a job if nobody bought from those companies.

YAY!!! Walmart goes bankrupt!!! Stores close! More people filing for unemployment!

I support putting people out of work!!!


;)

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. I am all for Sherman anti trusting Wally mart.

You see for each minimum wage, no benefits job they produce they kill one and a half jobs at local businesses

[SomethingFishy]

31. Yeah! What we need are more people in tents outside

Best Buy for two weeks to save 100 bucks on a TV that will break in 6 months.


"If we don't participate in "door busting" the economy will tank!!!1!!1!1" :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Yeah and "if we don't give corporations more tax breaks they won't create any jobs"... :rofl: :rofl: