Turkey rules out any military intervention in Syria (for now)

[tabatha]

Should the question of an intervention arise, Turkey would not act alone, but together with allies in the Arab world, Mr Ayhan said. The role of the West in such a scenario would be very limited. “The West would not be accepted by the people in Syria, but Turkey and the Arabs would,” he said.

Yup, what a neocon-inspired Obama operation in Syria. :sarcasm:

“We absolutely do not want an intervention in Syria and will not accept a Turkish role in an intervention,” Bulent Arinc, a Turkish deputy prime minister and the government spokesman, told Turkish television interviewers Thursday. “We will neither send soldiers, nor intervene, nor permit others to intervene.”

Mr Arinc spoke after Alain Juppe, the French foreign minister, had called for EU-backed humanitarian corridors to allow aid groups a way into Syria. Mr Juppe called the situation in Syria “no longer tenable” and accused the regime of Bashar Al Assad, the Syrian president, of “a savagery we have not seen in a long time”. The European Union said in a statement that the “protection of civilians in Syria is an increasingly urgent and important aspect of responding to the events in country”.

http://mar15.info/2011/11/turkey-says-it-wont-use-its-military-in-syria/#more-1701

[Arctic Dave]

1. Syria should give weapons to the Kurds and watch Turkey shit their pants.

See they like when the shoe is on the other foot.

Turkey has to be the worst type hypocritical shitbags in the world.

[TheWraith]

2. Um... no. Turkey is a democracy. Syria is not.

The two are not equal.

[Arctic Dave]

5. So it's OK to kill Kurds as long as you're a "democracy"?

Kurds want to have their own country and Turkey regularly uses military oppression to stop them.



Your post is beyond ludicrous.

[tabatha]

7. Who is doing what to whom?

Mr Erdogan is the first Turkish leader to acknowledge the state’s “mistakes” in its handling of the Kurds. In a slew of groundbreaking reforms, AK has eased restrictions on the Kurds’ long-banned mother tongue, poured money into their impoverished region and launched secret talks with the PKK’s imprisoned leader, Abdullah Ocalan. In 2009 a deal to disarm the rebels seemed within reach.

This collapsed after a string of deadly PKK attacks. Yet the government continued to talk to Mr Ocalan, who, despite having spent the last 12 years behind bars, has largely retained his grip on the PKK. But everything changed last month when the rebels escalated the violence, killing more than 40 Turkish soldiers and policemen.

Matters came to a head when the PKK set off a landmine in the township of Cukurca near the Iraqi border, killing nine soldiers. Declaring that his patience had run out, Mr Erdogan ordered a wave of air strikes against PKK targets in northern Iraq. The army claims that at least 100 rebels have been killed since the operation started on August 17th. The PKK says it has lost only three men. A war of words has erupted over the reported killing of seven Iraqi Kurdish civilians, two of them babies, by a stray Turkish bomb. The army has dismissed footage of their dismembered bodies as “PKK propaganda”. But Masoud Barzani, head of the Iraqi Kurds’ semi-independent enclave, insists that the claims are real and has angrily called for an immediate end to the Turkish offensive.

http://www.economist.com/node/21526936

[Arctic Dave]

8. Like I said, turkey is the worst type of assholery.

They have oppressed the Kurds for decades and they are fighting for autonomy. Turkey is giving a few concessions then foot dragging so the Kurds won't secede.

[tabatha]

3. The point is that what is happening now in Syria

- was not caused by Obama

- will not be interfered with by Obama

- it will be an Arab only issue


Just because Wes Clark sometime ago stated that the neocons had Syria in their sights, it is implied on this board that the uprising in Syria is all part of Obama's plan to continue with the neocons' plans. I have never heard so much rubbish in my life.

[Arctic Dave]

4. Well that "rubbish" sure does fit hand in glove with the PNAC blueprint.

But why believe your lying eyes.

[tabatha]

6. Please tell me how Obama is following the PNAC blueprint with respect to Syria.

I would like to understand. I cannot see the connection.

[Arctic Dave]

9. Involving the military in Libya is one.

Not keeping his nose out of their affairs is another. Seems he can't keep his yap shut when it comes to other countries protesting except when it comes to the one he governs he gives a few half hearted sentences.

[tabatha]

10. I said with respect to SYRIA, SYRIA, SYRIA

in the subject line.

Obama did not want to get involved in Libya.
It was only when a massacre was imminent and he was persuaded by Rice, Power and Clinton, that he gave the go ahead, and then gave it over to NATO as soon as possible.

The French were the drivers for Libya; they had the first aircraft over Libya; France and the UK traveled to Libya after liberation, Obama did not (and was criticized for not doing so). Obama was criticized by the right-wing that he should not have given it over to NATO, and if the US had been in charge it would have been over in a matter of weeks not months.

I did not know that FRANCE equals the new AMERICAN century (PNAC).

FRANCE does not equal PNAC (and neither does Canada or NATO or any of the other EUROPEAN and ARAB countries that took part)

FRANCE is taking a lead among the European countries with respect to Syria.
FRANCE does not equal PNAC.

So you have not supplied any sort of answer about Syria and Obama and PNAC that makes any sense.

I would say that Obama's involvement in Libya was half-hearted; some here on this board thought that his statements on Egypt were half-hearted, and that he only waited until it look as though Mubarak would go, that he said something. And as far as the other countries are concerned. he has to express concern about the massacre of people. How could he not do so?

And Obama does not have a yap.

And he knows what he is doing wrt to OWS.

People said he should have gotten involved in Wisconsin; I believe he did the right thing; knowing what the right-wing is capable of, it could have screwed up the whole effort.