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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 04:57 PM
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What does this pic (slogan) really mean?
A friend on FB posted this, and I have some questions about it:




To which I have replied:

Nice slogan, but what does it actually mean? Government grows as the population does (serving more people, more military needs, etc) - costs increase over time (repairing roads, education, etc) and just like a business - costs increase.

Does it mean a bigger government as in Patriot act, TSA, Homeland Security?

Does it mean more regulations? Should we leave banks, manufacturers, etc, alone and let them self regulate - and if they dump waste into the creeks, bring down the economy, etc, do we really think they will stop all by themselves? Should we remove rape, robbery, etc from the laws in hopes that people will just do what is right - if so, let's get rid of police.

As the world and the population grow it is a natural thing that government employment and needs to support the population will grow - I think the main idea here is that it should grow in an intelligent manner. JP Morgan has grown a lot over the years, more employees, more internal regulations, etc. As the number of customers grow (population) the business has grown and there are more managers there now than there were 50 years ago.

I keep hearing that if we ran the government like a business how much better it would be, should we tell businesses that growing larger as your base does is bad and that people who disagree are imbeciles?

Slogans are nice, and I agree some things should shrink - whiles others grow. It is a dynamic situation and a simple slogan won't fix the problems we have.

The government serves the people - all the people. From the poorest to the wealthiest. It may not be the solution to all our problems but the US government is the company we are doing business with. When costs increase at a big company we say it is a good thing because it raises more revenue to expand (like with an electric company, etc). When costs increase in doing business when it is the government we call it bad.

Make it more efficient, run it better, I am all for that.

So what does it mean, outside of a nice soundbite, "More Government"? We are not living in the late 1700's anymore - we have grown immensely over 200+ years. If a company runs itself the same as it did when it had 10 employees and now has 10,000 what will happen? No HR dept? No payroll division, only 1 part time lawyer, etc and so on?

Managed growth ... key word here is growth. As a business becomes more complex it hires more people, has more regulations/rules, and can serve more customers in a better way. New managers/ceo's come in and promise investors it can better manage the business (or in our case, politicians) - which is fine, but saying less is better is not really practical. Growth requires more in a position to aid that growth. More departments, more people, etc to handle the new and more complex issues that are being faced.

Maybe we should shrink the armed forces, less missiles, less generals, less wars, etc. Less government in these areas could mean more money spent on the real threats (health care, infrastructure issues, etc). Do you REALLY want less government, or just less when it comes to really helping out the people here who the government is supposed to represent and help?
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PDJane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:00 PM
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1. Like almost everything from the right,
it sounds profound and means nothing.
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:24 PM
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6. Great at manufacturing slogans and buzzwords and bumper sticker mentalities ...
wayyyyyy short on creating jobs or meaningful legislation ...
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:29 AM
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23. exactly
simple declarations for complex issues are all they know...
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:04 PM
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2. I would love to know in the right wing got everyone so f confused about what 'government' is
You gave the person an EXCELLENT RESPONSE! I couldn't have thought of a better answer.

I still, tho, wonder who the idiots were that came up with the idea that government itself is bad. I wasn't born here. I was born in a small place, and it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that if a country is gigantic, of course its government is going to be gigantic.

I have arguments with wingnuts constantly about this bullshit.
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:04 PM
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3. republicans go on and on
about wanting to shrink the federal government till it's small enough to go down a bathtub drain.

The slogan applies to repukes and libertarians. Anyone who has that image pointing to their name is one of them.
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Bryn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:04 PM
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4. Did you tell him it should be Imbeciles, not Imbiciles?
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 05:05 PM by Bryn
Typical of a misspelled sign waving teabagger :)
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:33 PM
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9. His reply:
No, an imBEcile is one who is mentally challenged.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/imbecile

An imBIcile is one who is mentally challenged, but doesn't know it.

Check out his FB site and how he sees others:

http://www.facebook.com/groups/183603758351261/

He sees himself as a sheep dog and we are the sheep (from one of his docs on there). We are not able to see the dangers and do what is needed to protect ourselves, so folks like him have to step up and save us....

The savior complex.
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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:29 AM
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19. Ironic ...
'imbicile' does not appear in the English dictionary.

It does appear in the urban dictionary,
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=imbicile

I guess anything can appear in the urban dictionary, including words from the English language mangled by tea party 'imbiciles.'

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PETRUS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:20 PM
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5. Nicely put.
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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:27 PM
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7. Well Said!
:toast:
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:29 PM
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8. It means....
That the person you sent it to read the first sentence of your reply and then went into a big, sputtering tirade that made no sense.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:34 PM
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10. HA you have no idea how right you are!
Less than 1 minute after posting my reply:

"if you don't get it ... then you fit the bill."

He sucks at reading like he did at chess back in the day :)
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 05:45 PM
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11. La la la I can't hear you!
Too many words and too complicated.

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Major Nikon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:48 PM
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12. That pretty much exemplifies what is so fucked up with the right
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 06:48 PM by Major Nikon
They are so entrenched with their nutty ideas and have absolutely no intention of defending them. That's why Perry didn't debate Bill White. That's why they still believe in trickle down pseudoeconomic babble. That's why they still believe it's a good idea to unilaterally invade sovereign nations. That's why they have Faux news.

Tune the rest of the world out and suddenly the nuttiest of ideas seem like good ones.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:50 PM
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13. the right wants more government when it suits their ideology


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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:54 PM
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15. Yup - no healthcare for you, but what's another trillion for more war?
:nuke:
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:53 PM
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14. Reagan really liked slogans.
That bullshit myth came from Reagan philosophy that may have been relevant in 1981. Actually it never was relevant any time, anywhere. To take government away and privatize the shit out of everything to unregulated profit hungry fuckwads who will stomp over anything and everything in the quest for the almighty dollar is just stupid and evil.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:05 PM
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16. What's an imbicile?
As soon as I got to that word I knew it was a fucking illiterate teabagger. Stop trying to figure it out. It doesn't mean anything. You'll only give yourself a headache.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 10:23 PM
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17. Spelling, it would appear, is for socialists, commies, and hippies.
People who want English to be the official language of the U.S. should try not fucking it up first.
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coalition_unwilling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:10 AM
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22. As the late Repuke Senator Jesse Helms is reported to have said, "If English
was good enough for Jesus, it should be good enough for all of us." :)
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:08 AM
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21. LOL!
Pot, meet kettle.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 10:31 PM
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18. Liberturdians all think they are smarter and "More Rational" than anyone else.
They think us Lefties are "bleeding-heart emotionally-driven idiots" that "deny cold economic reality", especially the Austrian School ones.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:03 AM
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20. It means they are adamantly opposed to the Home Land Security Act!
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:37 PM
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24. Government. Meh


Who needs interstates and roads? Everyone should just stay home.

Who needs schools? Reading and the ability to perform basic math functions are overrated.

Who needs regulations to keep your neighbor from routing his sewage onto your front porch? Elitists!

Who needs firearm and hunting regulations? Hunters should be allowed to aim and fire at those squirrels in that tree under which your kids are playing. That'll teach those kids to be tough.

Why make grocery stores throw out green meat? Let them sell all the moldy bread, e coli-ridden veggies and rancid peanut butter they can. Free market, People!!!

Government. Ptooey!!!!!

:sarcasm: (Just in case)



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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:37 PM
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25. giant kick and rec.
Well said.

They co-opt our replies to their idiocy, then project their crimes onto us. (yes, crimes...they want to destroy decency and everything else the American Experiment was supposed to be. They are thoroughly evil, either by intent (greed, power) or by negligence(stupidity)
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