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Dragonbreathp9d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:46 PM
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I have been saying for weeks that OWS will experience it's own Kent State
Before this is all over and Coulter's comments only reinforce this view.

It is unfortunate- but how long would we have been in Vietnam if it had not been for that horrid act. How long would the Indian people been oppressed if many unarmed peaceful protesters, following the vision of Ghandi, had not been gunned down?I have been saying for weeks that there will be a Kent State before this is all over. Not hopeful- completely dreaded- how many? How young? How old? How many tours of duty had the been on? How many fires had they put out? How many lives have they saved, will save? How many will I have personally known? And how paraded would the cover-up be all over the main-stream media?And how many of our visionaries be assassinated after the fact?
It is not really a comfort to know that this extreme government intervention will only inevitably sway public opinion so ardently towards the goals of the protest- as well as actually stinging what little conscience those in power have left- that there would be no other viable (politically and morally) option. The real comfort will come after the fact, when even if their names are not remembered by most- their legacy will completely change the course of human history. It is the survivors duty to make sure the path continues upward. That the future generations of not only this country, but the world, will be so much better than our own- and that they continue to ascend to the apex of humanity.
Solidarity
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:48 PM
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1. BETTER FUCKING NOT...especially as I'm tonight headed into the mess...
Cheers...
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:01 PM
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3. Please be careful. All of you.
We need you.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:03 PM
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4. I will be careful, but I will not back down. This is Constitution-level stuff. We cannot be silent!
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 09:43 PM
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16. Excellent Resolve
Just breath, be peaceful. It will all unfold like it's supposed to.

Strength ON!
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 05:30 AM
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21. I failed. I went with folks who had more sense than I when it became obvious that
protesters were demanding the cops come. I had planned to stay outside any perimeter and photo what I could. Turns out the perimeter was set not across the street, but a block or more outside of the protest, not visible, NOT ANNOUNCED. They were not allowing people out of the areas they'd cordoned. I have no idea if it has since gotten ugly in there, but the entire idea of inside the park/outside the park okay with being arrested inside the park/those not okay with being arrested nearby to insure peaceful treatment and to document anything not, was blown before the curfew.

I'm 50, I'm not 20 anymore, as much as I'd like to be. I toyed with the idea of getting arrested but I have complications...and I'm told that one significant protester isn't all that jazzed about the idea either. Am I a coward? I guess I am. I buggered off, I skarkered.
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PuraVidaDreamin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 06:37 PM
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23. No dude you're freaking awesome!
I just turned 50 too! LOVING it, been pretty lucky- near daily yoga, green smoothie almost every morn,

working toward preventing foreclosures here with Cape Cod Occ. May very well lead to arrest. Some will choose
not too, but these people are just as important to the cause. They hold the bail $$, or the camera, or 100's
of other important support positions. You just being there last night was a VICTORY!

Your posts keep me going bro! I may not always comment, but do know they mean a lot.
love, peace, and keep joy in your heart no matter what!
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:20 PM
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10. Hey Fire,
I was at the GA last night.

I thought I saw ya there but I wasn't sure.

Can't make it tonight...stay safe.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 06:54 PM
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2. and if it's to be successful, that will only be the beginning....
Edited on Sun Nov-27-11 06:56 PM by mike_c
How many have Egyptian police and military killed so far? How about Yemen, or Syria? Although nonviolent revolution is most likely to succeed, it is a big mistake to assume that it won't be met with violence. We have many stages to go through still, and the unrestful summers of 1967 and 68 only provide examples of the first, early stages-- that revolution ultimately sputtered out and failed. There will be massive violence against OWS. It must stand against the worst a threatened oligarchy can throw at it with full government support.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:05 PM
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:07 PM
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6. None that I know off but thanks for your concern.
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U4ikLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:09 PM
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7. so many concerned about OWS
;)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:10 PM
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8. Well it is a direct challenge
I can't stop it...it was..predictable. So has the government response.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:50 PM
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Remember Me Donating Member (730 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 09:18 PM
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14. the desperate need to attract attention
Hmmm.

Maybe their desperate need for attention is to highlight things in the U.S. that desperately need attention -- such as these, as just one example:


17.2 mil­lion: The num­ber of house­holds that were food in­se­cure in 2010, the high­est num­ber on record. They make up 14.5 per­cent of house­holds, or ap­prox­i­mately one in seven.

48.8 mil­lion: Peo­ple who lived in food in­se­cure house­holds last year.

3.9 mil­lion: The num­ber of house­holds with chil­dren that were food in­se­cure last year. In 1 per­cent of house­holds with chil­dren, “one or more of the chil­dren ex­pe­ri­enced the most se­vere food-in­se­cure con­di­tion mea­sured by USDA, very low food se­cu­rity, in which meals were ir­reg­u­lar and food in­take was below lev­els con­sid­ered ad­e­quate by care­givers.”

6.4 mil­lion: House­holds that ex­pe­ri­enced very low food se­cu­rity last year, mean­ing “nor­mal eat­ing pat­terns of one or more house­hold mem­bers were dis­rupted and food in­take was re­duced at times dur­ing the year be­cause they had in­suf­fi­cient money or other re­sources for food.”

55: The per­cent­age of food-in­se­cure house­holds that par­tic­i­pated in one or more of the three largest Fed­eral food and nu­tri­tion as­sis­tance pro­grams (SNAP, WIC, School lunch pro­gram).

Join Na­tionofChange today by mak­ing a gen­er­ous tax-de­ductible con­tri­bu­tion and take a stand against the sta­tus quo.

19.4: The per­cent­age of food in­se­cure house­holds in Mis­sis­sippi, which had the high­est rate in the na­tion last year.

3.6 per­cent: The amount by which food prices in­creased last year.

30 per­cent: The amount by which food in­se­cu­rity grew dur­ing the Great Re­ces­sion.

44: The per­cent­age in­crease in house­holds using food pantries be­tween 2007 and 2009.

20 mil­lion: The num­ber of chil­dren who ben­e­fit from free and re­duced lunch per day.

10.5 mil­lion: The num­ber of el­i­gi­ble chil­dren who don’t re­ceive their free and re­duced lunch ben­e­fits.

$167.5 bil­lion: The amount that the U.S. lost in 2010 due to hunger (lost ed­u­ca­tional at­tain­ment + avoid­able ill­ness + char­i­ta­ble giv­ing to fight hunger). This doesn’t take into ac­count the $94 bil­lion cost of SNAP and other food pro­grams.

8: The num­ber of states (FL, TX, CA, IL, NY, OH, PA, GA) where the an­nual cost of hunger ex­ceeds $6 bil­lion.

via nationofchange.org
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 07:19 PM
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9. None. But should it happen, I fervently hope for dire retribution.
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:08 PM
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12. Few or none.
That's a pretty damning charge to be leveling with no evidence.

Also, that's not what "begs the question" means. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begs_the_question
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 08:30 PM
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drm604 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 10:26 PM
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17. But I see no reason to even ask that question.
Do you have any kind of evidence at all? You could ask all kind of questions about what kinds of hopes people are secretly harboring, but without evidence, what's the point?

In all respect, I think there may be an organized effort on the right to spread the idea, and you've been fooled by it. Think about what you're saying here. Is asking this question really helping anybody?

I know you don't intend it this way, but raising the question can be seen as being pretty much the same as making the accusation.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:08 PM
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18. "A few martyrs never hurt a movement", how many secretly want deaths? SHAME on you
"Look how much mileage the Scott Olsen incident got. A few martyrs never hurt a movement."

SHAME on you. Seriously.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 11:33 PM
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19. WTF
The 4 murdered students and the 9 wounded students were UNARMED and thusly no threat to the ONG. Get it?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:13 AM
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-11 09:23 PM
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15. The pigs are salivating at the prospect of murdering protestors with the backing of the state.
:grr:
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 06:19 PM
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22. The Stupids will do their best ...
to prove you correct.

I think OWS can muster 100,000 in DC within 5 days of the trigger.
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