Damn... Those PERF/DHS Guys Are Fucking Brilliant... Didn't See The 3 Dimensional Naomi Coming, Man

[WillyT]

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COINTNAOIMIPRO... I surrender!!!!

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[Luminous Animal]

1. There are a bunch of DUers going, "Oh shit."

[Response]

2. Which ones and for what reason?

[Luminous Animal]

3. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2389724&mesg_id=2389794


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2385188&mesg_id=2385188

[WillyT]

4. Yeah... But Why ???

But a little-known but influential private membership based organization has placed itself at the center of advising and coordinating the crackdown on the encampments. The Police Executive Research Forum, an international non-governmental organization with ties to law enforcement and the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, has been coordinating conference calls with major metropolitan mayors and police chiefs to advise them on policing matters and discuss response to the Occupy movement. The group has distributed a recently published guide on policing political events.

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=439&topic_id=2340717

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[Luminous Animal]

5. I have no idea where the reporter from the SFBG got the notion that PERF coordinated with mayors

because from the Democracy Now! link in the article, PERF spokesperson Wexler reveals no such coordination.

From the Democracy Now! interview..
"But first of all, a correction: we did not coordinate the call with the mayors. It was simply with police chiefs. And it originated from Boston and Portland. The police chiefs in those cities asked to just compare notes."


My conclusion is that Shawn Gaynor is as shoddy of a journalist as Wolf.

Let's break this down...

The SFBG article claims that their is coordination between mayors and PERF.
The SFBG links to an interview with Democracy Now! that directly refutes any such coordination with PERF and mayors.
The SFBG, despite their own linked evidence chooses to fabricate a link anyeay.
WillyT, chooses to believe the SFBG's misinformation.

[WillyT]

6. Wow... Thank You... I'm Beginning To Become... Illuminated...

The coordination of political crackdowns on the Occupy movement has been conducted behind closed doors, with city officials and PERF refusing to say how many cities participated in the conference calls and the exact nature of the discussions. Reports of at least a dozen cities and some indication of as many as 40 accepting PERF advice and/or strategic documents include San Francisco, Seattle, New York, Portland, Oakland, Atlanta, and Washington DC.

The San Francisco Police Department and Mayor Ed Lee's office did not returned the Guardian's request for comment about the PERF calls by press time. However, Oakland interim Police Chief Howard Jordan was quoted by the Associated Press confirming Oakland and San Francisco police involvement in the strategy sessions.

PERF coordinated a November 10 conference call with city police chiefs across the country – and many of these cities undertook crackdowns shortly afterward.

"We know that there were influential conference calls of private groups that include police chiefs who played key roles in repressing the anti-globalization movement, in order to stage rolling attacks on occupations across the country,” said Baruca Peller, an organizer for Occupy Oakland. “In less than a week an unprecedented number of protesters have been brutalized and arrested, and in many cities such as Oakland these evictions were pushed for by the local one-percent.”

Link: http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2011/11/18/cop-group-coordinating-occupy-crackdowns

Good to know where we stand now, eh???

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[Luminous Animal]

7. Yes. The SFBG correctly reported that with information on the record police departments

engaged in a conference call. We have no clue the facts of that call. We can, based on historical knowledge of police actions against people's movements, make assumptions about those calls but we cannot assert without any doubt the contents or outcomes of those conversations. The reporter correctly reported the Baruca Peller's conclusions because Beruca Peller was expressing an opinion. They incorrectly reported, AS FACT, that PERF also coordinated with mayors office. Quite clearly, the reporter offered, AS FACT, information not in evidence.

And really, that is not cool.

[WillyT]

8. Alright... So How Do We Deal With This ???

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=2389940&mesg_id=2390098

And what makes us think we will EVER get the truth???

See... the problem with non-transparency, something that was supposed to go away (mostly) in this administration... is that we are left to our own devices, NOW WIDELY DISTRIBUTED (Thank You Internet), to make up our own theories, and let them fester...

The possible solution to said problem, is to have TPTB, or at LEAST this Administration, come forward in such a way as to convince us our concerns are unfounded.

Otherwise... it's all just a bunch of yackety-yak...

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[Luminous Animal]

9. I've no problem with leading people to follow logical assumptions...

I do have a problem with reporting as fact information that has not been verified.

OWS participants and supporters of OWS are going to be under extreme pressure from state actors. While it is important to understand that coordination is most likely taking place what is even more important is the outcome of that coordination. That is, tactics will be used against Occupy activists, it is more important to anticipate what kind of tactics rather than know whether or not those tactics are coordinated.