Try running a science class on $2.87/ student/ YEAR

[Playinghardball]

Source: Daily Kos


We had a family friend over during the holiday who decided to go on a rant about "greedy teachers" and the SB5 vote in Ohio. Given that I was his hostess and a teacher, I considered his behavior not only boorish, but also ridiculous and just plain wrong. So, I decided to serve him a piece of my mind with his pie, this year.

By the time I was done with his remediation lesson, he did have the grace to apologize. However, I know that his previous perspective is probably still held by millions of Americans out there. People who are seething with the myth that their lives are being made worse due to greedy teachers and their god awful unions.

Jump the squiggle for the gist of what I told him about "greedy teachers."

Greedy teachers? Really? Well ...

THIS greedy teacher:

More at: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/27/1040257/-Try-running-a-science-class-on-$287-student-YEAR?via=spotlight

[Yooperman]

1. Thanks ... bookmarked for future smackdowns!!

K & R

:toast: to all good teachers!

[roguevalley]

5. I got 400$ a year to teach all the subjects to all my kids in first,

fifth and sixth grades for decades. imagine buying everything you need to teach from text books to stuff for every subject for thirty kids each year

[The Last Blue Dog]

2. $2.87/YR...? Any ideas on what they spent the rest of it on?

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/edlite-chart.html#1

[MedicalAdmin]

4. Teaching to the test.?

[Starry Messenger]

7. Services that other industrialized countries provide as part of

their social safety net, among other things.

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11. You'll have to ask the right-winger who created that chart.

http://www.christopherchantrill.com/ Christopher Chantrill writer and conservative, who maintains "usgovernmentspending.com". Guess you might want to find someone who does actual math, not fascist math, "blue dog".

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[Starry Messenger]

13. *yawn*

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16. Keep defending the conservative spin on those numbers buddy.

Your career here will be mercifully brief. No skin off my nose. I'm not the one who carelessly used a graphic from a teabagger website. I'm the one who checked his website and saw the graphic where he admits he "fudged" to get his figures. That's the kind of "statistical analysis" you are clinging to like a desperate man on a raft. :shrug: Not my job to clean up the mess you made on the rug.

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[Starry Messenger]

18. I'm not having a hard time with anything buddy.

:hi: You think the government spends too much money on the poor and for education. That's not rocket science, dawg. The US is at the bottom ranking for poverty among children in developed countries, so unless you think the poor are using money for toilet paper and schools are setting it on fire instead of rewarding hedge fund managers with it, whatever we are spending is not enough. Hope that helps.

http://www.clel.org/content/report-unicef-ranks-us-24th-childhood-poverty-out-24-wealthy-countries

Report by Unicef ranks U.S. 24th in childhood poverty -- out of 24 wealthy countries.
June 15, 2010 - 11:19am — Mary K.


At a recent U.S. Senate hearing titled "The State of the American Child", Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., called for the formation of a national commission dedicated to finding ways to improve the lives of children in this country. This came as a result of a 2007 report by Unicef that found the U.S. ranked LAST among 24 "economically advanced" countries in childhood poverty.

And just FYI, that's what a real source looks like, not some graphic from an internet douchebag conservative.

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[WildNovember]

23. Yeah, I'll accept the "statistical analysis" of someone who works for David Horowitz

as the final word on education spending -- for sure.

"I have written for Liberty, FrontPageMag.com, and The American Thinker."

Liberty = paleolibertarianism, founding editors include Murray Rothbard
FrontPage = the Horowitz rag
American thinker = conservative rag, focus on defense & defense of israel. typical story: "Barney Frank, Classless to the End"


You really should try better disguises when you do this stuff.

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[WildNovember]

28. fail.

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[WildNovember]

33. well, they certainly "effected" yours. fail.

[WildNovember]

22. The poster says a self-professed conservative admirer of Hayek, von Mises, and Leo Strauss

who writes for David Horowitz's rag is "not a blue dog". LOL. No, because he's no kind of Democrat whatsoever, he's a fucking fascist.

Despite 35 years living in Seattle, I instinctively revolted against the suffocating left-coast culture of the Soviet of Washington, and came to revere the four great Germans who helped inspire the Reagan revolution: Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek, Leo Strauss, and Eric Voegelin.

I have written for Liberty, FrontPageMag.com, and The American Thinker. My forthcoming book Road to the Middle Class celebrates the self-governing culture of the United States in which enthusiastic Christianity, education, mutual aid, and living under law have taught generations of immigrants to rise from indigence in the countryside to a life of competence and prosperity in the city.

FrontPage Magazine (also known as FrontPageMag.com) is a conservative online political magazine, edited by David Horowitz and published by the David Horowitz Freedom Center (DHFC; formerly, the Center for the Study of Popular Culture), a non-profit organization in Los Angeles, California.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FrontPage_Magazine

[Starry Messenger]

38. Looks like that was one "blue dog" who was too delicate to live.

Nice shooting, Tex. The mods planted him.

[WildNovember]

20. That wingnut chart says defense is 15% of the budget? Bullshit. That's a bullshit chart.

So is this one, in that it puts two user-funded programs, Social Security and Medicare, into the "budget" as though they were funded by income taxes, but it at least makes things a bit more clear.



The "budget" he's talking about includes SS & Medicare, neither of which have anything to do with education or children, and both of which are funded by workers through payroll contributions. Not through the income tax.

Here's where revenue comes from:



40% of federal revenue comes from PAYROLL TAXES on workers -- FICA. That's what pays for Social Security, medicare and some other stuff as well. So you can just take those things out of that "federal budget" because all workers -- and only workers -- pay for those things.

Only 42% of federal revenues comes from the income tax, and a piddling fraction comes from corporate taxes, excise taxes and the like.

As for spending:

The defense budget is as big as ALL OTHER DISCRETIONARY SPENDING COMBINED, minus SS and Medicare. 35% of the real federal budget, that is, the budget excluding SS & Medicare. That and interest on the debt = 45% of the real federal budget, the part paid for by income tax + corporate taxes etc.

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[WildNovember]

29. take your horowitz shit and go

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[WildNovember]

34. because some horowitz symp publishes a chart, it's "the truth"? fail.

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[WildNovember]

21. "WELCOME. I am Christopher Chantrill, writer and conservative." Idols = Hayek, Mises, Strauss.

I am a member of the international capitalist conspiracy. Both my grandfathers owned and operated import/export businesses in the early twentieth century, one in St. Petersburg, Russia, where my father was born, and the other in Kobe, Japan, where my mother was born.

Despite 35 years living in Seattle, I instinctively revolted against the suffocating left-coast culture of the Soviet of Washington, and came to revere the four great Germans who helped inspire the Reagan revolution: Ludwig von Mises, F.A. Hayek, Leo Strauss, and Eric Voegelin...I have written for Liberty, FrontPageMag.com, and The American Thinker.


Who are you trying to kid? No, he's not a blue dog, because he's not even a Democrat. He's a winger of the most putrid, far-right sort, and in just one glance at his "charts" I can see that he's grouped the information in a misleading way so he can lie about the numbers.

Why the hell are you here? Go peddle that crap where the peabrains might believe it.

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32. Chantrill is practically a Nazi.

I didn't delve into his racial views but his economics are as right wing as you can get. Hopefully his fan club will be escorted from the building soon. Welcome!

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[WildNovember]

36. why didn't you use those charts inside of the ones from the wing-nut? fail.

[WildNovember]

24. Not to mention that even the ed.gov site IS LYING.

Total taxpayer investment in K-12 education in the United States for the 2004-05 school year is estimated to be $536 billion. < * >

Even in this current time of the war against terror, taxpayer investment in education exceeds that for national defense.

http://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/10facts/index.html#chart1


US defense budget 2010:

663.7 billion (+12.7%) – Department of Defense (including Overseas Contingency Operations)

$52.5 billion (+10.3%) – Department of Veterans Affairs

$42.7 billion (+1.2%) – Department of Homeland Security

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget

Not to mention all the hidden military goodies tucked away in the budgets for Energy, State, Aeronautics and Space, Agriculture, Education (yeah, education), etc.

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[Liberal_in_LA]

3. kick

[DCKit]

6. Just think of all the experiments a "good" science teacher could do with just table salt.

In all, $2.87 might be too much money. :sarcasm:

[woo me with science]

8. I recommend pouring it on the slugs who purchased our government. nt

[Scuba]

9. What a silly OP. The teacher/author is under the impression that it's his/her job to...

...actually teach the students something.

The Republicans don't want that!

[krispos42]

14. Yeah, but if it wasn't for those greedy union teachers...

...we could drop that down to like 14¢ a student.


Scott Walker told me so.