Arguing with a "libertarian" What would a Ron Paul America look like?

[goodboy]

Give me some undeniable info on the "libertarian utopia"

[rfranklin]

1. We pretty much had that back in the 1880s...

Poverty, disease, child labor, discrimination, etc.

[nxylas]

2. Look at Somalia

No functioning government for years - a libertarian paradise on earth.

[Erose999]

11. See also: Haiti nt

[bobbolink]

12. That was my thought..... glad you voiced it.

I have been wondering... do any of these Libertarians and teabaggers belong to clubs or churches or organizations which DON"T have governing bodies and rules and regulations???

[socialist_n_TN]

20. Yep, that's what I always say. Somolia is..........

your basic libertarian paradise.

[emulatorloo]

3. Some Du'ers have pointed to Somalia n/t

LOL see above.

[Burma Jones]

4. A Libertarian America would look like Mexico

[pnwmom]

22. Or India. nt

[Cronus Protagonist]

Our drinking water would have to be imported from China

Where they would have regulations and enforcement of clean water laws. Here, the Libertarians would allow anything to be dumped into the water supply with no regulation or enforcement, so we would have nothing to drink that's not poison.

[trotsky]

5. Your neighbor could build a giant garbage dump on his land...

and take everyone's garbage and bury it, where it would leach into your well. You can't infringe on his rights to profit and use his land as he sees fit.

[Chemical Bill]

27. That's not totally correct...

as the libertarian playbook says that you can sue your neighbor for polluting your water. That assumes you have the money for a lawyer. That also assumes that the courts will act on it eventually. Finally, it makes a mockery of the "tort reform" criers that pretend to be libertarians.

Bill

[mmonk]

6. 1869?

[gratuitous]

7. You'd take your life in your hands buying food

Because if you didn't choose to spend your money on a testing lab to ensure the wholesomeness of the food you bought at the supermarket or to hire your own health inspectors to check on the local restaurants, that's your problem. Why should food sellers be subject to unreasonable government interference and allegedly safe food handling and preparation guidelines? Besides, after enough people have been poisoned, the magic of the free market will probably shut down a store or a restaurant that keeps killing its customers. Unless those sneaky Petes just set up somewhere else under another name.

[Erose999]

8. Probably something like this...

but with more curb stomping.

[FSogol]

9. Sudan. n/t

[H2O Man]

10. Like Ron Paul.

[bobbolink]

13. Does the one you are arguing with belong to a church or club or organization?

Does that church or club or organization have no governing body... no rules or regulations?

What would that church or club or organization look like if it was governance-free?

Does that church or club or organization have no means of garnering economic support to sustain it?

[goodboy]

18. I don't know. Right now I'm trying to get him to answer three simple questions:

Why are most people poor? or What is the cause of poverty in the United States

Does not having access to health care increase human suffering?

Is it fiscally responsible to borrow money from China to pay for tax cuts for the rich?

He's refusing.

[kctim]

24. Refusing? Not a real Libertarian then.

I know a real Libertarian and got answers in under 5 minutes:

1 - Lack of money, not lack of government.

2 - Of course. But there is a difference between 'access to' and 'provided to.'

3 - No it is not. But the money is not being borrowed to pay for tax cuts, it is being borrowed to pay for government.

[goodboy]

25. Ok, what would your responses be? (nt)

[kctim]

29. Mine? Same as most Dems

1 - Lack of education. Lack of good jobs.

2 - Yes, which why we need safety net programs to help those who need it.

3 - No. We should raise taxes on the rich. Cut spending. Raise taxes across the board if it comes to that.

You asked for 'undeniable info' and have only received the stereotypical fearful opinions of people who have no clue.
So rather than guess, I asked a real Libertarian.

[OHdem10]

14. For starters, the Government in DC would consist of Pres and

Adm minus most Depts. No Commerce Dept, NO Education
Dept, Ne EPA, ----you get the picture. No SS Dept No Medicaare


Pretty much The President and immediate Staff, the Congress
and their Staff, the Defense Dept, the PO is in Constitution.

It then becomes the States to determine one by one how
and what they will provide for the citizens, state by state.

[TroglodyteScholar]

15. ...

[Renew Deal]

16. Somalia

Minimal government. Lots of guns. Lots of religious nuts.

[madinmaryland]

17. A cluster of small impoverished states trying to compete with what is left

of the United States (the northeast, north central, and west coast states).

Ron Paul would then be able to drop out of government, since he is part of the federation of Texas.

The remaining United States would then re-elect Barack Obama in 2016.

[Ian David]

19. A Libertarian Paradise would look like Picher, Oklahoma.

Environment - Picher, Oklahoma
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=385&topic_id=506544

1. They forgot Picher, Oklahoma. A town so polluted, they shut it down.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=557074#557090

[Ter]

21. No wars, no Patriot Act, no Guantanamo Bay torture, no Federal Reserve...

Seems like a nice place to me.

[johnaries]

23. We've been there. Upton Sinclair's "The Jungle". nt

[Swamp Rat]

26. Everything would be GREAT!

... for a few, lucky individuals.

[Yavin4]

28. Libertarianism Appeals To People Who've Never Had To Take Care of Themselves

There's always been a Mommy and Daddy to provide for them if things got really bad, and they just cannot understand how is it that everyone else cannot also rely on Mommy and Daddy and need things like min. wage laws, decent working conditions, clean air and water, etc.

I think of Libertarianism as Frat Boy economics. Just live your life in the most irresponsible manner and don't give a fuck about anyone else except your own happiness. And if you're ever in big trouble, just call your parents to bail you out.