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somone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:37 PM
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Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate (WP)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/22/AR2011012204111.html

Domestic use of aerial drones by law enforcement likely to prompt privacy debate
By Peter Finn

AUSTIN - The suspect's house, just west of this city, sat on a hilltop at the end of a steep, exposed driveway. Agents with the Texas Department of Public Safety believed the man inside had a large stash of drugs and a cache of weapons, including high-caliber rifles. As dawn broke, a SWAT team waiting to execute a search warrant wanted a last-minute aerial sweep of the property, in part to check for unseen dangers. But there was a problem: The department's aircraft section feared that if it put up a helicopter, the suspect might try to shoot it down. So the Texas agents did what no state or local law enforcement agency had done before in a high-risk operation: They launched a drone. A bird-size device called a Wasp floated hundreds of feet into the sky and instantly beamed live video to agents on the ground. The SWAT team stormed the house and arrested the suspect.

"The nice thing is it's covert," said Bill C. Nabors Jr., chief pilot with the Texas DPS, who in a recent interview described the 2009 operation for the first time publicly. "You don't hear it, and unless you know what you're looking for, you can't see it." The drone technology that has revolutionized warfare in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan is entering the national airspace: Unmanned aircraft are patrolling the border with Mexico, searching for missing persons over difficult terrain, flying into hurricanes to collect weather data, photographing traffic accident scenes and tracking the spread of forest fires. But the operation outside Austin presaged what could prove to be one of the most far-reaching and potentially controversial uses of drones: as a new and relatively cheap surveillance tool in domestic law enforcement.

By 2013, the FAA expects to have formulated new rules that would allow police across the country to routinely fly lightweight, unarmed drones up to 400 feet above the ground - high enough for them to be largely invisible eyes in the sky. Such technology could allow police to record the activities of the public below with high-resolution, infrared and thermal-imaging cameras.

One manufacturer already advertises one of its small systems as ideal for "urban monitoring." The military, often a first user of technologies that migrate to civilian life, is about to deploy a system in Afghanistan that will be able to scan an area the size of a small town. And the most sophisticated robotics use artificial intelligence to seek out and record certain kinds of suspicious activity. But when drones come to perch in numbers over American communities, they will drive fresh debates about the boundaries of privacy. The sheer power of some of the cameras that can be mounted on them is likely to bring fresh search-and-seizure cases before the courts, and concern about the technology's potential misuse could unsettle the public...
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:42 PM
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1. This security wet dream all started with 9-11
Edited on Sat Jan-22-11 09:43 PM by howaboutme
Huge profits, unprovoked invasions, unending wars, a toy box of security devices, billions in profits for oil, bubbles for housing, bankers robbed us then were rewarded - tell me again this was about 19 Muslims with box cutters and not a critical diversion for society.
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Systematic Chaos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:52 PM
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2. Definitely the muslims with box cutters.
That's why we immediately invaded Saudi Arabia!

end :sarcasm:
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:54 PM
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3. and next will be missles launched from drones. like obama does in AfPak nt
Edited on Sat Jan-22-11 09:54 PM by msongs
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:55 PM
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4. Let's play What Novel Is This Quote From?
"In the far distance a helicopter skimmed down between the roofs, hovered for an instant like a bluebottle, and darted away again with a curving flight. It was the police patrol, snooping into people’s windows."

http://bit.ly/fHzgW9
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 09:58 PM
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5. Finnegan's Wake
Duh.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:28 PM
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7. Ah hell, you caught on!
Overture and beginners!
When lo (whish, O whish!) mesaw mestreamed, as the green to the gred was flew, was flown, through deafths of durkness greengrown deeper I heard a voice, the voce of Shaun, vote of the Irish, voise from afar (and cert no purer puer palestrine e'er chanted panangelical mid the clouds of Tu es Petrus, not Michaeleen Kelly, not Mara O'Mario, and sure, what more numerose Italicuss ever rawsucked frish uov in urinal?), a brieze to Yverzone o'er the brozaozaozing sea, from Inchigeela call the way how it suspired (morepork! morepork!) to scented nightlife as softly as the loftly marconimasts from Clifden sough open tireless secrets (mauveport! mauveport!) to Nova Scotia's listing sisterwands. Tubetube!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:18 PM
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6. Only the thought police matter
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:29 PM
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8. That's awesome looking
Nice work!
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:38 PM
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9. Thanks...It originally had Bush's face on it
but it made me sick to see it so I removed it.

Created from the covers of all the orwell paperbacks I could find.
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:39 PM
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10. I keep thinking about the movie BLUE THUNDER
Where Officer Frank Murphy(played by Roy Scheider) and Officer Richard Lymangood (Daniel Stern)were enjoying themselves, using the advanced helicopter's sensors to spy on a woman, who had been doing Yoga in the nude. Abuse of the technology...

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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 11:43 PM
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11. I recently saw something like this in the air
I live about 15 miles northwest of Boeing Everett.





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bengalherder Donating Member (718 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:47 AM
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12. THAT'S what I saw then!
I was on 5 somewhere around Arlington and saw one of those. Tried to look it up but couldn't find that configuration.

Wasn't my first look at a drone tho, the miltary base out by Yuba City, CA has had one hovering above on a regular basis for at least ten years now.

They are seriously creepy.
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 01:20 PM
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15. What I saw was a pair of small aircraft
with short, squared-off wings. They came in over Admiralty Inlet and flew directly over my house, in close formation, headed east. I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:16 AM
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13. "feared that if it put up a helicopter, the suspect might try to shoot it down."
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 02:19 AM by Incitatus
When was the last time in the US that a drug dealer shot down a helicopter for flying near their house?

It sound sounds like more incremental conditioning to get us used to big brother surveillance.
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ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 10:20 AM
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14. The FAA NPRM is going to be contentious and there is no guarantee it will get through
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 10:20 AM by ProgressiveProfessor
If police operate one in uncontrolled airspace they have to see and avoid other aircraft. If it hits another aircraft, the police agency would be responsible. The police can not close or control airspace. If they operate it in controlled airspace they will need FAA permission which may be hard to get in real time.

It also will not be long before there would be very low cost drone detectors based on "hearing" the data link signals if nothing else. Jammers would not be far behind.
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