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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:26 AM
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From 2003. Suskind's disturbing portrayal of Rove in the WH.
It really upsets me that this man has never been held to account for anything at all. If nothing else his involvement in the Plame leak should have caused something to happen....but no. Nothing did.

This is from an Esquire article in 2003, found at Ron Suskind's website. It is called Why are these men laughing?

Why are these men laughing?

Quite long, hard to choose just excerpts.

Why Are These Men Laughing?
Esquire, January 2003.

They heard that I was writing about Karl Rove, seeking to contextualize his role as a senior adviser in the Bush White House, and they began calling, some anonymously, some not, saying that they wanted to help and leaving phone numbers. The calls from members of the White House staff were solemn, serious. Their concern was not only about politics, they said, not simply about Karl pulling the president further to the right. It went deeper; it was about this administration's ability to focus on the substance of governing -- issues like the economy and social security and education and health care -- as opposed to its clear political acumen, its ability to win and enhance power. And so it seemed that each time I made an inquiry about Karl Rove, I received in return a top-to-bottom critique of the White House's basic functions, so profound is Rove's influence.

..."It's an amazing moment," said one senior White House official early on the morning after. "Karl just went from prime minister to king. Amazing . . . and a little scary. Now no one will speak candidly about him or take him on or contradict him. Pure power, no real accountability. It's just 'listen to Karl and everything will work out.'. . . That may go for the president, too."


I remember that John DiIulio called it the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis.

"There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus," says DiIulio. "What you've got is everything -- and I mean everything -- being run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis."

..."Sources in the West Wing, echoing DiIulio's comments, say that even cursory discussion of domestic policy became much less frequent after September 11, 2001, with the exception of Homeland Security. Meanwhile, the department of "Strategery," or the "Strategery Group," depending on the source, has steadily grown. The term, coined in 2000 by Saturday Night Live's Will Ferrell, started as a joke at the White House, too, but has actually become a term of art meaning the oversight of any activity -- from substantive policy to ideological stance to public event -- by the president's political thinkers.


And there is the part that Suskind overheard while waiting to interview Rove.

Eventually, I met with Rove. I arrived at his office a few minutes early, just in time to witness the Rove Treatment, which, like LBJ's famous browbeating style, is becoming legend but is seldom reported. Rove's assistant, Susan Ralston, said he'd be just a minute. She's very nice, witty and polite. Over her shoulder was a small back room where a few young men were toiling away. I squeezed into a chair near the open door to Rove's modest chamber, my back against his doorframe. Inside, Rove was talking to an aide about some political stratagem in some state that had gone awry and a political operative who had displeased him. I paid it no mind and reviewed a jotted list of questions I hoped to ask. But after a moment, it was like ignoring a tornado flinging parked cars. "We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!" As a reporter, you get around -- curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events -- but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking. This went on without a break for a minute or two. Then the aide slipped out looking a bit ashen, and Rove, his face ruddy from the exertions of the past few moments, looked at me and smiled a gentle, Clarence-the-Angel smile. "Come on in." And I did. And we had the most amiable chat for a half hour.


I remember when Newsweek hired Karl Rove in 2007 to write a column for them. It was out in the open by then about his possible (likely) role in the persecution of Governor Don Seigelman of Alabama.

Newsweek's hiring of Karl Rove is an insult to our country and a kick in the butt to Alabama.

In fact one media outlet called it a "stain on Lady Justice". I forget which one.

Rove Named in Alabama Controversy

In the rough and tumble of Alabama politics, the scramble for power is often a blood sport. At the moment, the state's former Democratic governor, Don Siegelman, stands convicted of bribery and conspiracy charges and faces a sentence of up to 30 years in prison. Siegelman has long claimed that his prosecution was driven by politically motivated, Republican-appointed U.S. attorneys.

Now Karl Rove, the President's top political strategist, has been implicated in the controversy. A longtime Republican lawyer in Alabama swears she heard a top G.O.P. operative in the state say that Rove "had spoken with the Department of Justice" about "pursuing" Siegelman, with help from two of Alabama's U.S. attorneys.


The allegation was made by Dana Jill Simpson, a lifelong Republican and lawyer who practices in Alabama. She made the charges in a May 21 affidavit, obtained by TIME, in which she describes a conference call on November 18, 2002, which involved a group of senior aides to Bob Riley, who had just narrowly defeated Siegelman in a bitterly contested election for governor. Though Republican Riley, a former Congressman, initially found himself behind by several thousand votes, he had pulled ahead at the last minute when disputed ballots were tallied in his favor. After the abrupt vote turnaround, Siegelman sought a recount. The Simpson affidavit says the conference call focused on how the Riley campaign could get Siegelman to withdraw his challenge.

According to Simpson's statement, William Canary, a senior G.O.P. political operative and Riley adviser who was on the conference call, said "not to worry about Don Siegelman" because "'his girls' would take care of" the governor. Canary then made clear that "his girls" was a reference to his wife, Leura Canary, the U.S. attorney for the Middle District of Alabama, and Alice Martin, the U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Alabama


Democracy Now also in 2007 covered the fact that even as Rove was writing for Newsweek, he was having to step down from his post at the WH.

From an interview Amy Goodman had with Wayne Slater.

AMY GOODMAN: While Karl Rove says he’s resigning in order to spend more time with his family, the move comes while he’s at the center of several congressional investigations. Last month, Senate Judiciary Chair Patrick Leahy subpoenaed Rove to testify about his role in the politicization of the Justice Department in the firing of nine US attorneys. So far Rove has ignored the subpoenas, refused to testify, citing executive privilege. In addition, two weeks ago, Rove skipped a congressional hearing on the allegedly improper use by White House aides of Republican National Committee email accounts. Leahy has vowed to continue the investigation. Speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, Rove said, "I’m Moby Dick, and they’re after me."

Rove previously escaped indictment in the CIA leak case. While then-White House spokesman Scott McClellan initially publicly denied Rove had anything to do with the leak, the special prosecutor’s investigation later determined he had in fact divulged or confirmed undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame’s identity to columnist Robert Novak and Time magazine reporter Matthew Cooper.

Wayne Slater is the senior political reporter for the Dallas Morning News and coauthor of two books about Rove: Bush’s Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential and most recently The Architect: Karl Rove and the Master Plan for Absolute Power. Wayne Slater joins me now on the phone from Texas. Welcome to Democracy Now!

WAYNE SLATER: Great to be with you, Amy.


Slater made an interesting observation about Rove in that interview.

The only question is now whether an indictment or other charges could come in the future or the near future. Frankly, my experience with Karl is that he always escapes. And so, looking at the history of the guy, from the late 1980s through the current situation, tells me he most likely will escape this latest round of both political inquiry and federal investigation. I could be wrong. Only time will tell.


Slater was right. Time did tell. Rove is still digging up dirt on Democrats, and organizing to win elections.

Rove isn't the only one. The whole Bush administration is walking around free and easy, never investigated, never charged by this administration.

We will regret that.

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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:30 AM
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1. Democrats have helped seal the nation's death-kiss by letting GOP scum off the hook
...over and over again.

Up to and including the present administration.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 10:14 PM
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14. Rove is DEEP into the C st Family... the Christian Mafia
google: Christian Mafia
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:32 AM
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2. I regret it now. The precedent of lawlessness is deadly to us.
When historians examine fatal mistakes, this will be ours. This will be Obama's.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:53 AM
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3. Letting lies about war and other unprecedented actions slide...we'll regret it.
I don't understand why we did not pursue it.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 07:35 PM
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10. We had no choice
Ted Stevens was acquitted. Don Seigleman was put into shackles in the court room after he was convicted of trumped up charges.

The republicans run the country whether they are in the majority or minority. They are getting crazier by the day with their power. Only way to permanently rid the country of them. Give them enough rope and they will hang themselves.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 01:38 PM
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17. Crazy is the key word there, molly. You're absolutely correct.
And if you look closely at the republican brand of crazy, you can see why it is totally unacceptable for the fascists who rule the country for DEMOCRATS, (much less "liberals" ) to say the kind of crap that Limpballs, Palin, and Glen Beck say about killing the other side: the fascists know that liberals are the only sane ones in the country, and that they can manipulate the wingnuts so well simply because they ARE crazy.

When sane people threaten to assassinate someone, it's more of a decision than an emotional reaction. It's not easily manipulated. It scares the shit out of the fascists, because it's as if an adult is making a decision, and they are scared children at heart. It can't be attributed to "an accident" of craziness if a liberal decides to kill someone, because that person (Hitler? ) is extremely dangerous for the world and needs to be taken out. Remember, there was a HUGE fascist contingent in the United States that supported the Nazis BEFORE world war II. They're still here ... that philosophy is still around ... and now they dominate the "conservatives" , which of course, dominate the republican party, and have infiltrated the democratic party.

Just look at how our side doesn't go around saying we need to take out Glen Beck or Limpballs or ROVE, and that we need to kill them to save our democracy. Which, actually, it would help to save our democracy without them. But our side is NOT ALLOWED TO SAY IT, like their side is, no matter how well thought-out the idea might be. We just don't go around assassinating people, because we're sane. And, hell! Their side takes out their own people when they get out of line: remember the guy who was about to be subpoenaed in Ohio about the theft of the 2004 election? I believe his plane accidentally went down, much like Wellstone's did.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 03:04 AM
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4. Rove was involved in AL politics even earlier.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2004/11/karl-rove-in-a-corner/3537/

Karl Rove in a Corner

"At the time, judicial races in Alabama were customarily low-key affairs. "Campaigning" tended to entail little more than presenting one's qualifications at a meeting of the bar association, and because the state was so staunchly Democratic, sometimes not even that much was required. It was not uncommon for a judge to step down before the end of his term and handpick a successor, who then ran unopposed.

All that changed in 1994. Rove brought to Alabama a formula, honed in Texas, for winning judicial races. It involved demonizing Democrats as pawns of the plaintiffs' bar and stoking populist resentment with tales of outrageous verdicts. At Rove's behest, Hooper and his fellow Republican candidates focused relentlessly on a single case involving an Alabama doctor from the richest part of the state who had sued BMW after discovering that, prior to delivery, his new car had been damaged by acid rain and repainted, diminishing its value. After a trial revealed this practice to be widespread, a jury slapped the automaker with $4 million in punitive damages. "It was the poster-child case of outrageous verdicts," says Bill Smith, a political consultant who got his start working for Rove on these and other Alabama races. "Karl figured out the vocabulary on the BMW case and others like it that point out not just liberal behavior but outrageous decisions that make you mad as hell."
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 03:58 AM
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5. Turd Blossom really IS ''Bush's Brain.''
"We will fuck him. Do you hear me? We will fuck him. We will ruin him. Like no one has ever fucked him!"
As a reporter, you get around -- curse words, anger, passionate intensity are not notable events --
but the ferocity, the bellicosity, the violent imputations were, well, shocking.



"Who rules Bartertown? Leura Canary or Karl Rove?"

Thank you for another excellent post, madfloridian. They are just what We the People need: Truth.

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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:15 PM
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6. Bookmarked. K & R. Note to self: read Wayne Slater. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 02:54 PM
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8. PBS..Karl Rove The Architect...video and transcript. Great stuff.
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 02:56 PM by madfloridian
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 12:31 PM
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7. How's that subpoena in Ohio going?
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emsimon33 Donating Member (904 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 05:35 PM
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9. There is no more rule of law in this country
Clearly those who are in power or who were in power are above the law!

I hope that there is an after-life where Rove, Bushes, Cheney, and the rest are in the fires of Hell for eternity!
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bluestateboomer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 08:35 PM
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11. We Do Regret It!
K&R
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 09:19 PM
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12. The law only applies
to little people.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 10:05 PM
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13. Kick. (nt)
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 10:21 PM
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15. Rove is DEEP into the C st Family... the Christian Mafia... so are a lot of Democrats
Edited on Sun Jan-23-11 10:23 PM by sam sarrha
http://www.insider-magazine.com/christianmafia.htm
"snip...
After several months of in-depth research and, at first, seemingly unrelated conversations with former high-level intelligence officials, lawyers, politicians, religious figures, other investigative journalists, and researchers, I can now report on a criminal conspiracy so vast and monstrous it defies imagination. Using “Christian” groups as tax-exempt and cleverly camouflaged covers, wealthy right-wing businessmen and “clergy” have now assumed firm control over the biggest prize of all – the government of the United States of America. First, some housekeeping is in order. My use of the term “Christian” is merely to clearly identify the criminal conspirators who have chosen to misuse their self-avowed devotion to Jesus Christ to advance a very un-Christian agenda. The term “Christian Mafia” is what several Washington politicians have termed the major conspirators and it is not intended to debase Christians or infer that they are criminals . I will also use the term Nazi – not for shock value – but to properly tag the political affiliations of the early founders of the so-called “Christian” power cult called the Fellowship. The most important element of this story is that a destructive religious movement has now achieved almost total control over the machinery of government of the United States – its executive, its legislature, several state governments, and soon, the federal judiciary, including the U.S. Supreme Court.

The United States has experienced religious and cult hucksters throughout its history, from Cotton Mather and his Salem witch burners to Billy Sunday, Father Charles Coughlin, Charles Manson, Jim Jones, David Koresh, Marshall Applewhite, and others. But none have ever achieved the kind of power now possessed by a powerful and secretive group of conservative politicians and wealthy businessmen in the United States and abroad who are known among their adherents and friends as The Fellowship or The Family. The Fellowship and its predecessor organizations have used Jesus in the same way that McDonald’s uses golden arches and Coca Cola uses its stylized script lettering. Jesus is a logo and a slogan for the Fellowship. Jesus is used to justify the Fellowship’s access to the highest levels of government and business in the same way Santa Claus entices children into department stores and malls during the Christmas shopping season.

When the Founders of our nation constitutionally separated Church and State, the idea of the Fellowship taking over the government would have been their worst nightmare. The Fellowship has been around under various names since 1935. Its stealth existence has been perpetuated by its organization into small cells, a pyramid organization of “correspondents,” “associates,” “friends,” “members,” and “core members,” tax-exempt status for its foundations, and its protection by the highest echelons of the our own government and those abroad.

The Roots of the Fellowship
The roots of the Fellowship go back to the 1930s and a Norwegian immigrant and Methodist minister named Abraham Vereide. According to Fellowship archives maintained at the Billy Graham Center at Wheaton College in Illinois, Vereide, who immigrated from Norway in 1905, began an outreach ministry in Seattle in April 1935. But his religious outreach involved nothing more than pushing for an anti-Communist, anti-union, anti-Socialist, and pro-Nazi German political agenda. A loose organization and secrecy were paramount for Vereide. Fellowship archives state that Vereide wanted his movement to “carry out its objective through personal, trusting, informal, unpublicized contact between people.” Vereide’s establishment of his Prayer Breakfast Movement for anti-Socialist and anti-International Workers of the World (IWW or “Wobblies”) Seattle businessmen in 1935 coincided with the establishment of another pro-Nazi German organization in the United States, the German-American Bund. Vereide saw his prayer movement replacing labor unions.



http://doggo.tripod.com/doggchrisdomin.html
"snip...Leo Strauss was born in 1899 and died in 1973. ... He is most famous for resuscitating Machiavelli and introducing his principles as the guiding philosophy of the neo-conservative movement. ... More than any other man, Strauss breathed upon conservatism, inspiring it to rise from its atrophied condition and its natural dislike of change and to embrace an unbounded new political ideology that rides on the back of a revolutionary steed, hailing even radical change; hence the name Neo-Conservatives.

Significantly, Dominionism is a form of Social Darwinism.<48> It inherently includes the religious belief that wealth-power is a sign of God’s election. That is, out of the masses of people and the multitude of nations, wealth, in and of itself, is thought to indicate God’s approval on men and nations whereas poverty and sickness reflect God’s disapproval.

(It was not until I read this article that I realized that this is a fundamental tenet of Dominionists.

Worldly wealth and power are signs of God's favor -- to attempt to limit or decrease one's wealth and power is to disrespect God.

On the contrary, God's elect on Earth are called upon to increase their wealth and power.

It is not sufficient for a man to be a millionaire, or for a country to have sovereignty within its borders -- a man must strive to increase his wealth as much as possible, and a Dominionist government's behavior toward its neighbors must be "invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity".

Furthermore, any attempt to decrease a person's or a country's wealth and power -- to take from the rich to give to the poor, to reduce military spending and power -- is a direct attack on God.)

If “Secular Humanists are the greatest threat to Christianity the world has ever known,” as theologian Francis Schaeffer claimed, then who are the Humanists? According to Dominionists, humanists are the folks who allow or encourage licentious behavior in America. They are the undisciplined revelers.

Put all the enemies of the Dominionists together, boil them down to liquid and bake them into the one single most highly derided and contaminated individual known to man, and you will have before you an image of the quintessential “liberal” -- one of those folks who wants to give liberally to the poor and needy -- who desires the welfare and happiness of all Americans -- who insists on safety regulations for your protection and who desires the preservation of your values -- those damnable people are the folks that must be reduced to powerlessness -- or worse: extinction.

What would a “reconstructed” America look like under the Dominionists? K.L. Gentry, a Dominionist himself, suggests the following “elements of a theonomic approach to civic order,” which I strongly suggest should be compared to the Texas GOP platform of 2002, which reveals that we are not just talking about imaginary ideas but some things are already proposed on Republican agendas.<60> Dominionism’s concept of government according to Gentry is as follows:

“1. It obligates government to maintain just monetary policies ... fiat money, fractional reserve banking, and deficit spending.

“2. It provides a moral basis for elective government officials. ...

“3. It forbids undue, abusive taxation of the rich. ...

“4. It calls for the abolishing of the prison system and establishing a system of just restitution. *...

“5. A theonomic approach also forbids the release, pardoning, and paroling of murderers by requiring their execution. ...

“6. It forbids industrial pollution that destroys the value of property. ...

“7. It punishes malicious, frivolous malpractice suits. ...

“8. It forbids abortion rights. ... Abortion is not only a sin, but a crime, and, indeed, a capital crime.”<61>
. . .

* Gary North describes the ‘just restitution’ system of the bible, which happens to reinstitute slavery,
like this:

“At the other end of the curve, the poor man who steals is eventually caught and sold into bondage under a successful person. His victim receives payment; he receives training; his buyer receives a stream of labor services. If the servant is successful and buys his way out of bondage, he re-enters society as a disciplined man, and presumably a self-disciplined man. He begins to accumulate wealth.” ...snip"
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-23-11 10:48 PM
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16. Suskind's ' The Price of Loyalty' opened my eyes. nt
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