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TeaBagsAreForCups (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:49 AM Original message |
Jury: You Do Not Need to Show ID to Fly; Yes, You can Video TSA! |
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elias49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. Excellent! |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. I forget where in the Constitution that it mentions a 90 ton device that is |
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rustydog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Then yhou must "Show your Papers" when you gas-up your vehicle |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. What right exists in the Constitution to board a hollow fuselage? |
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Populist_Prole (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. If you did no wrong you've nothing to fear |
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hobbit709 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
2. We need more of this. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:59 AM Response to Original message |
3. You should update us Monday when they follow up with |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
4. I don't think this was jury nullification. |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. +1 n/t |
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backscatter712 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
16. It was an upholding of our highest laws. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Agreed -- |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
6. Good! Keep fighting! This outrageous assault on the Fourth Amendment must not stand. nt |
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yodermon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
7. so the order to show ID at TSA checkpoints is unlawful? |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Not quite. |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 10:03 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Will be interesting to see if they act to control that loophole. n/t |
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TeaBagsAreForCups (320 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 12:15 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. The General Counsel of TSA... |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
10. Also of note |
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Mist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
11. Hmm, new bumper sticker that should lead to some conversations: |
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JohnyCanuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
12. Video of Mocek and his encounter with TSA (used by the prosecution) |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
13. How much did he spend on his attorney? How much time did he |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Disagree. If even .01% of passengers did it, this farce would have been over long ago. |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Yeah, but do you understand americans? Not .00000000000001 |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. If .01% of passengers did that, then the flights would only be 99.99% as full. |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. It sets a precedent for future cases. |
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david13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Actually, it doesn't. The jury determines facts. There is no precedent |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 01:30 AM Response to Reply #13 |
38. What price do you put on standing up for your rights? |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 07:39 AM Response to Reply #13 |
43. He didn't spend any money on lawyers, he didn't make a rebuttal. |
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snot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
20. [self-delete -- redundant of comment above.] |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:28 PM Response to Original message |
25. Recommend |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:31 PM Response to Original message |
27. No, that means the jury said it's not a crime to not show your ID. That does NOT mean |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. He's been doing it for two years. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. And in those 2 years, have they ever actually let him on the plane without an ID? |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You don't have to have ID to board a domestic flight. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. Okay. |
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Hassin Bin Sober (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 01:32 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. He's been doing it for two years. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:16 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I stand corrected. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
29. So? Do you imagine the TSA gives a rat's ass? This will change NOTHING they do. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. It means that brave patriots who refuse to show their IDs before getting on airplanes |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 01:33 AM Response to Reply #30 |
40. And if a lot of people decide to find other ways to get where |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Sure. Methinks that the planes won't be so fucking overcrowded. |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
32. I don't think that was jury nullification. What law are you saying he actually violated? |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
33. Now if it can be found that it's not legal for them to grope your crotch |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
36. I flew without showing any ID. Though I did have my Credit card. |
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