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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 02:52 PM
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"I read the news today (oh boy)"


“I believe in the profession of journalism. I believe that the public journal is a public trust; that all concerned with it are, to the full measure of responsibility, trustees for the public; that acceptance of lesser service than the public service is a betrayal of this trust; that individual responsibility may not be escaped by pleading another's instructions or another's dividends; that advertising, newsand editorial columns should alike serve the best interests of readers; that supreme test of good journalism is the measure of its public service.”
--Journalist's Creed


“We need to get him to stop.”
--Irvin “Scooter” Libby


One of the reasons the “Founding Fathers” created Amendment 1 in order to insure that the public had access to a “free press.” It is impossible, in any society larger than a small, communal group, to have true democracy without a press that is not controlled by the government. The dynamics in our nation have changed considerably since Amendment 1 was adopted in 1791; two of the most significant changes include the advent of the national media becoming a property of those corporations which exercise a dangerously undemocratic influence in government, and the role that television began to play in national politics in 1960.

It is within this context that members of the Democratic Underground are not only angry that Keith Olbermann's Countdown is no longer on MSNBC: we recognize that his “leaving” that corporate media's line-up is part and parcel of a dangerous trend in American politics.

Even before the Kennedy administration, US Presidents have attempted to use the media in a manner that promotes their image and policies. The flip side of that is when administrations attempt to keep information that is negative in terms of image and policy from the press. This flip side mutates into a tumor on democracy, when administrations do two things: {1} insert misinformation and disinformation into the media; and {2} target specific media sources, including individual journalists.

This diseased activity is not, of course, limited to the Executive Office. There are all types of people in positions of power in Washington, DC, who lack the moral capacity to tell the truth twice consecutively. And there are groups, frequently in the field of intelligence, that systematically use the media to control the public's perception of national and world events. Again,we can identify two ways this takes place: {1} when “retired” intelligence assets become “journalists”; and {2} when corporate interests provide fertile ground for their planting the seeds of deception.

It's easy to see how these influences became manifest in Nixon's “Enemies list,” which included journalists; in the media black-out on the most serious issues in the Iran-Contra scandals; and in the Bush/Cheney administration's promotion of the war in Iraq.

The “Scooter” Libby quote above comes from page 266 of “Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War,” by Michael Isikoff and David Corn (Crown Publishers; 2006). The Office of Vice President Dick Cheney took offense to the reporting being done by Chris Matthews on MSNBC. Libby called Tim Russert in an attempt to silence Matthews; Russert, in turn, reported this to Neal Shapiro, the president of NBC. Shapiro ordered Matthews to “throttle back a bit,” because, “Hey, this guy is still the vice president” (page 267).

This is a large part of what our forum members find offensive with MSNBC: when a Keith Olbermann refuses to be silenced, the corporate machine will attempt to marginalize them. Olbermann is not the first journalist to be targeted by corporate/political forces: two obvious examples of voices that were marginalized were Bill Moyers and Dan Rather. Another is David Shuster.

I tend to like a number of the journalists still on MSNBC's evening programs. However, I recognize that Chris Matthews and Larry O'Donnell are moderate democrats, and both have been closely associated with the machine politics in DC. Ed is a liberal who I'd enjoy talking to at a picnic, and Rachel is now the lone progressive voice on cable news.

Most of my extended family and friends, like myself, found Countdown to be the most valuable choice for meaningful televised journalism. The concern with what has happened is not somehow limited to our wanting to be entertained by a bright, shiny trinket – although Keith Olbermann could indeed be entertaining. It's that the machine can, to far too large an extent, marginalize those voices who they cannot silence. And that significantly reduces the options for the public to gain access to “different” ideas than the bland, lima bean news served by CNN, or the rancid byproducts cooked up by Fox.

Peace,
H2O Man
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DirkGently Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:00 PM
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1. Well done. Few journalist voices of late have been as truly "independent" as KO's.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:05 PM
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2. K & R
Well said.

I've not relied on "news" reports, TV or print, for facts or accurate information for many a year. Your essay reminds me that others did and still do turn to "news" to inform them and have lost, again, another trusted option for information gathering.

Thank you.

I hope you're doing well today. :hi:

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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:05 PM
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3. I didn't always agree with Keith Olbermann, but I always respected
Edited on Mon Jan-24-11 03:09 PM by mzmolly
him.

Keith should have been promoted, not fired. I look forward to following him, wherever he goes.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:11 PM
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4. K&R
--imm
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:23 PM
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5. Thank you for this piece. Well written.
It is so sad that "we" don't really have anywhere to go except to each other to ferret out the truth these days. That said, we still have to work too hard at it.

I suppose the constant threat of not funding public television is because they want to keep their news show comments below the surface so we don't learn what they don't want us to know.

Good grief. Sounds like we're talking about Russia.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:24 PM
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6. Someone rec this for me. I accidentally hit unrec button.
Quick.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:36 PM
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7. Done! n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 07:19 PM
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14. Thanks! I hate it when that happens.
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Stargazer99 Donating Member (943 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:55 PM
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8. Madison tried to tell us
You can have a nation if you control your corporations....is it that damn hard to learn from history?
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 08:43 AM
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31. The money makes it prohibitive.Bribery is the way they operate.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:56 PM
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9. And here is a "modest" proposal for being our own media...
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 03:58 PM
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10. K&R but...
any background on the pottery? I'm assuming Northeast, but which museum and what tribe?

Cheers... i agree with everything you've said. I can think of only a few journalists that fit the creed... Glenn Greenwald, Juan Cole, Amy Goodman, Dahr Jamail, Seymour Hersh, maybe Froomkin. Otherwise, it's a crapshoot out there.

:shrug:



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 04:31 PM
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11. Iroquois
from the Oneonta, NY, region.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 04:38 PM
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12. Keith was one of the first to highlight the real "death panels" going on in Arizona.
He was the only media personality that I saw willing to actually put the faces of those who now became ineligible for transplants on teevee for everyone to see.

That's the type of reporting and journalism we've lost. That's why Keith's departure is felt so strongly.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 05:08 PM
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13. In regard to the lima-bean (good one!) quality of CNN, if they hired Piers Morgan,
who is as acerbic as one can be, to replace the gentle, non-threatening interviewing style of Larry King, this may be an indication that CNN is willing to go in a saltier direction to charge up its ratings. I admit I haven't seen Piers' new show, but I've seen how caustic he can be on two other shows. I was surprised that he'd be the one replacing Larry King.

CNN has had David Shuster on several of its programs to discuss Keith, so perhaps they're interested enough to hire Keith (& Shuster). That would be quite a ratings coup. A big shot in the arm for so bland a network.
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hay rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 08:55 PM
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19. Morgan was an editor for Rupert Murdoch.
Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piers_Morgan

From the article:

"In 1994, aged 28, he was appointed editor of the News of the World by Rupert Murdoch, becoming the youngest national newspaper editor in more than half a century."
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 09:39 PM
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22. Ewwww (channeling Lucy) ... Does Rupert also own that talent show on which Piers was a
judge? I didn't watch it regularly, but peeked in occasionally while using the remote.

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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 07:53 PM
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15. k&r
This is a great line and so true. Another good read. Thanks water man.
"There are all types of people in positions of power in Washington, DC, who lack the moral capacity to tell the truth twice consecutively."
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 08:06 PM
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16. Recommended
I am always fascinated with the photos that you place with each of your posts. In this post, did you mean to convey that not all vessels are equal, that some have a larger capacity than others?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 09:07 PM
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20. Yes, that is
what I was saying. It's the news line-up.

A lot of the times I suspect that what I intend with my photos is something that only makes sense to me. ("No one, I think, is in my tree ...") So I'm glad that you knew what I meant.

Thanks for that.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 02:40 PM
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37. Ha! One of my favorite Beatle's lines that I use quite often...
"No one, I think, is in my tree ..." meaning that we are all on our own journey, that we all have a unique perspective :thumbsup:

I believe your last post used a photo of ancient tools/weap0ns, which I thought tied in nicely with the post. :)


I love your perspective and you are one of the people who inspire me.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 08:09 PM
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17. K&R.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 08:12 PM
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18. "Diseased activity" indeed.
Beautiful pottery.

This morning I watched BBC America and found out there are other actual countries out there. Ireland. Spain. No Snooky. No special segments on Bristol Palin`s brand new Arizona house or her latest abstinence lecture fee. No Tom Brokaw selling a book. No nodding Mika. No flag-pin-wearing Republican mouthing..."Take `em out." No CNN Headline News morning anchor personette showing the video of her sky diving with George H.W. Bush. No Harold Ford. No discussions about Michelle Obama`s buff arms.

Tonight, during the time I frequently tune in to a news program, I went to my back room and studied the frost patterns on my window panes. It was very quiet.


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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 09:16 PM
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21. Run of the Rumor Mill:
You may have heard that CNN is involved in an attempt to buy out KO's remaining contract, which would allow him to be on CNN. My understanding is that this is part of a bigger package, possibly including David, which could potentially result in CNN having a partial night-time line up that would compete for liberal/progressive viewers.

Interesting possibility.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 10:12 PM
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24. I hate CNN
but I may watch him there out of curiosity (not hope), as I have no (dis)illusions.



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DAMANgoldberg Donating Member (377 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 12:02 AM
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27. This would be the bold move that CNN can do...
Keith left CNN on good terms relative to the other networks he worked at. And if I'm not mistaken, he has worked for every major broadcasting organization (Disney/ESPN, Comcast/NBC, Newscorp/Fox, Viacom/CBS, and TimeWarner/CNN) at some point in his career.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 10:10 PM
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23. Excellent, as usual H20 Man

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 10:14 PM
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25. Respectfully, he is not being silenced or marginalized
he is in the process of making far better use of his skills in far better working conditions. Countdown was great, for a low budget show with how many reporters in the field? Oh, right. Zero. How much ongoing investigation? None. So great for sorting it out and discussing it, but limited and limiting.
He will get more of all the really important stuff, show budget, editorial control, freedom, better coffee, none of those guys he got sick of, nor the ones sick of him. Smiling executives saying 'how can we help you?' instead of tele-Napoleons trying to flex and play power status games.
While many here think some form of purge went on, I said 'oh, finally, he's getting out.' He stopped before it lost its organic dynamic and became a self conscious activity, and will now make something better.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 03:42 AM
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29. Hahahaha. Yeah, right.
Start some slam with "respectfully" and you expect everyone to believe you mean it.
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northamericancitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-24-11 10:25 PM
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26. K & R
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:02 AM
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28. It Wasn't Only His Voice, But His Vision
He saw what others couldn't or wouldn't. Like the health clinics he got behind or the transplant stories. And his recognition of the absurd moments in our society.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 03:53 AM
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30. The message is loud and clear -- "rock the boat and you will be thrown overboard."
After almost a decade of listening to that message, young people are learning to comply.

"Dissent", they say, is unpopular.
Disagreeing with someone is not being friendly.
So, after 8 years of Bush, while we were told we were un-Americans, and told to shut up and eat our Freedom Fries, it looked like the darkest days were ahead.

Then here comes Keith, some ex-sportscaster, and he points at the guy behind the curtains in this real-life Wizard of OZ scenario, and tells us it isn't really Bush that is running the country, it is Cheney.
And Halliburton.
And Blackwater.
And the corporate list of warmongers, war profiteers, goes on and on.

Jump to 2011, and today they were talking about televising Michelle Bachmann's Tea Party version of the State of the Union speech!!!

Journalism in this country is dead!!
Bill Moyers told us it was, but we didn't really believe him.

We need to reinvent journalism, or we will never get this country back on track.
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dotymed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 08:49 AM
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32. Reinstate
THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 08:57 AM
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33. JFK was a journalist and he respected the Public's right to know.
"Without debate, without criticism, no Administration and no country can succeed — and no republic can survive. That is why the Athenian lawmaker Solon decreed it a crime for any citizen to shrink from controversy. And that is why our press was protected by the First Amendment — the only business in America specifically protected by the Constitution — not primarily to amuse and entertain, not to emphasize the trivial and the sentimental, not to simply 'give the public what it wants' — but to inform, to arouse, to reflect, to state our dangers and our opportunities, to indicate our crises and our choices, to lead, mold, educate and sometimes even anger public opinion." -- President John F. Kennedy, address before the American Newspaper Publishers Association (27 April 1961)

That attitude was the exception to the rulers.

A must-read for those interested in learning more about the real operators of what Americans read, hear, watch and grok: CIA and the Media by Carl "Watergate" Bernstein.

Outstanding post, in every way, H20 Man. Every word, gold.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 09:18 AM
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34. Excellent essay. K&R n/t
:applause:
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mimi85 Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:37 PM
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35. Lawrence O'Donnell
is a self-proclaimed socialist, not a moderate democrat. BTW, I sure with MSNBC had put the Ed show on in Chris Matthews second spot (4pm here on the West Coast).
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 08:06 PM
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39. Oh, please.
I know what he said about being for socialism. You are for it, too. All republicans are in favor of the type of socialism that benefits their own.

O'Donnell is a moderate democrat.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 01:41 PM
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36. Please email this to MSNBC.
There's a thread somewhere in GD with Phil Graham's email address in it.

They need to hear this.
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ms liberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:40 PM
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38. Too late to rec, doggone it. You've hit the nail on the head. Thanks. n/t
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