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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:09 PM
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Obama Ignores Actual State of the Union, Makes A Nice Speech
Obama Ignores Actual State of the Union, Makes Nice Speech
By: Scarecrow
January 26, 2011

You would never know from the President’s speech that there are 15 million Americans out of work. He never mentioned it. Think about that. America’s unemployment rate — from 9.4 percent to over 17 percent when you count underemployed and those who’ve given up — is still at crisis levels we’ve rarely seen since the Great Depression. Sure, this President wants us to improve investments and education to provide better jobs for the future, but there wasn’t a single word from a supposedly Democratic President that would address today’s actual emergency. . . .

Virtually every state in the union is suffering their own budget crisis, but this President apparently thinks that’s not important. States and local governments face not the phony budget deficit hysteria that’s infected Washington but real, massive budget gaps they can’t solve through temporary deficit spending. So everything they’re forced to do is undercutting what Obama tried to do two years ago to revive the economy.

They’re laying off hundreds of thousands of public workers — teachers, firemen, police, public health and sanitation crews; closing parks; cutting services and denying needed health care to those in life-threatening conditions. You have to have your head buried deep in the sand to ignore this, but this President did.

In the meantime, there’s a major crime wave still going on in America’s financial sector. Wall Street banksters and the nation’s largest financial institutions are still systematically looting the Treasury while they nickel and dime the America people already undergoing a huge deleveraging from too much debt. We have an enormous mortgage crisis as a million families lost their homes last year and more millions will lose theirs this year. Yet the largest banks and their servicing agents are systematically committing fraud on both lenders and investors. But the President didn’t mention that, even though the nation’s economy isn’t likely to recover while the housing market is still in the tank. He didn’t explain why his own mortgage relief program had not only failed but had helped banks rip off homeowners and even steal their homes, but face no penalties.

Read the full article at:

http://my.firedoglake.com/scarecrow/2011/01/25/obama-ignores-state-of-the-nation-makes-nice-speech/
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:11 PM
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1. FDL didn't like it?? What a surprise!!!!!!
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:12 PM
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3. You don't have an opinion on the article that you'd like to share with the rest of us?

This is a discussion board.

Drive-by attacks contribute nothing to civil debate and discussion.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 09:01 PM
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26. I agree, they don't.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:31 PM
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61. My further opinion has been added.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:48 AM
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34. The entire article is a joke, and it appears to have been written before he said a word.
Almost every item they claim he didn't mention, he did mention.

But look, FDL had been predicting that Obama would definitely announce cuts to Social Security, but since that didn't happen, they needed to go in another direction.

Happy?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:28 AM
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42. "FDL had been predicting that Obama would definitely announce cuts to Social Security" Link please

The full text of his speech was released two hours before he gave it!
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:30 PM
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60. FDL predicting Obama will cut Social Security ....
http://my.firedoglake.com/nancyaltman/2010/12/07/the-end-of-social-security/

Doesn't matter when the text was released.

The author of the original article in the OP appears to have not read it, or watched the address.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:24 AM
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38. What's your opinion on the article, then?
I didn't see it, either.
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:53 PM
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65. And I wonder why Ezra Klein said this ....
The big concern that progressives had going into the State of the Union address was that President Obama would propose cuts to Social Security. That didn't happen.


How did Ezra get such a crazy idea?

Not from FDL? Huffpo? DU?

There have been a wide array of folks who made this prediction, and now apparently, since it didn't happen ... no one said it.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:31 PM
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11. Ding! Ding! Ding!
Exactly
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slay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:13 PM
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56. JP loved it - what a surprise!!!
:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:33 PM
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63. Actually, I'd give the address a B.
And I continue to enjoy watching those who predicted that Obama would announce cuts to social security run in circles searching for a reason to complain.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:12 PM
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2. Unemployed people should be out looking for a job, not watching SOTUs
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

K&R

Sadly our US CEOs speak to management and shareholders only
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:23 PM
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7. No they don't!
Shareholders are in the "u r screwed" pile along with the rest of us

http://news.businessweek.com/article.asp?documentKey=1376-LDDSS20YHQ0X01-2HK0S5KK7R9E8170IFLDTMTA5B

Morgan Stanley Wins Dismissal of Lawsuit Over Pay

Morgan Stanley Chairman John Mack, Chief Executive Officer James Gorman and other executives won a dismissal of a shareholder lawsuit filed over $45 billion paid to the firm's employees over three years.

New York State Supreme Court Justice Shirley Werner Kornreich threw out the lawsuit, citing a requirement that shareholders first make a demand on a board before suing on behalf of a company or show that such a move would be futile, according to a Dec. 10 decision.

The “complaint fails to show” that a demand on Morgan Stanley's board “would be futile,” Kornreich wrote. “There is no reasonable doubt that the respective board approvals were not a valid exercise of business judgment.”

The complaint by shareholders including the Security Police and Fire Professionals of America Retirement Fund said employee compensation during 2006, 2007 and 2009 was “unconscionable” given the firm's performance, including its reliance on a government bailout.

The shareholders argued in court papers that making a demand on Morgan Stanley's board would have been futile because its members were “beholden” to the firm. Kornreich rejected that argument, saying the plaintiffs didn't show that the board couldn't make disinterested decisions.

“We are pleased with the court's ruling, which dismisses all claims with prejudice,” Mark Lake, a Morgan Stanley spokesman, said in an e-mailed statement.
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jaxx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:27 PM
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4. States have governors who give a State of the State speech.
Why is 'scarcrow' trying to make the President do theirs too? States need to raise taxes to make money. It's not fun and it's not easy, but it beats losing services and teachers. FDL is so anti right now they are boring to read. They have no solutions, all they do is gripe. It seems to be the name of the game lately.
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bulloney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:45 AM
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40. Ohio Gov. Kasich and other new Repub governors are pledging not to raise taxes.
So, their only alternative is to cut. In Ohio, one of the primary targeted areas is pensions and wages of public workers. Never mind that these employees entered these jobs with the expectation to have pensions at a certain level when they retire.

Meanwhile, in Ohio, they want to cut taxes like the state inheritance tax for the top bracket, which by its nature, benefits the wealthy. More benefits for the wealthy and benefit cuts to the middle class.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:29 PM
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59. Maybe we should have raised taxes slightly on the wealthy when we had a chance.
Instead we continue tax breaks for millionaires, call for a spending freeze (which by the way, will translate into a SS cut after inflation) except for ballooning "security purposes".

It's not fun and it's not easy. Actually it would have been easy. All they would have had to do was nothing.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 05:46 PM
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5. Here we ago again. More swill from FDL. I think I will ignore them.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:12 PM
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6. Fire Dog Lake: automatic unrecommend n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:24 PM
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8. LOL
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Brickbat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:26 PM
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9. Heh. So true.
K&R.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:27 PM
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10. Describes it perfectly!
What a massive disconnect from what is going on in working class and poor households across the country. The comfortable classes love to be stroked with pretty words from the mouths of the elites but as a poor person his non-state of the union reagan re-dux speech made me want to vomit.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:32 PM
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12. Reaction from Governors and Mayors
The President’s State of the Union Address: What They’re Saying Part II


Governors: What They’re Saying About the President’s State of the Union Address

Following President Obama’s second State of the Union address, here’s what Governors are saying:

New York Governor Andrew M. Cuomo

“President Obama tonight outlined a strong, transformative and positive path for our nation. His State of the Union address underscored the need for austerity, innovative thinking and collaboration on both sides of the aisle. Promoting private sector job growth through economic development and restrained government spending is the right tactic to put our country on the right track. As President Obama fully understands, New York and many other states are working hard to address multi-billion dollar deficits. I had the pleasure of meeting with President Obama last week at General Electric's facility in Schenectady, where he announced his new Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. I applaud his foresight in recognizing that it takes a focused approach and a harnessing of private sector resources to fully open our economy to future development and progress. As a nation, all Americans must refocus their energies to create solutions for future generations. President Obama's leadership will continue to pave the way for our nation to thrive and prosper, and I look forward to working with him and our federal representatives to tackle the sizeable challenges facing New York State and our country.”

North Carolina Governor Beverly Perdue

"The President tonight called for America to find a new focus on how we grow jobs and educate our children in a 21st century, global economy. Here in North Carolina, we have already embraced this way of thinking. Today we must not just welcome innovation, but incentivize it; we must not only encourage new industry clusters but actively grow them. In North Carolina, innovation and new industries are in green energy, military, aerospace and biotech. But we must not forget that our ability to truly carry out this kind of economic vision will hinge on how well we do one, single thing: educate our children. They are our future workforce, the thinkers and doers who will carry this state forward on the foundation we pour today. If we are to own the future, we must start with them."

Maryland Governor Martin O’Malley

“President Obama’s focus tonight on increasing America’s global competitiveness is welcome news in states across our country, and to American businesses and families. Our nation is in a fight for its economic future and it is a fight in which every state has an important role to play to win the future. Democratic governors have been singularly focused on creating jobs, managing for results, and making the tough – but fiscally responsible decisions – to improve public education, make college more affordable, and spur innovation to help businesses create jobs. Democratic governors support President Obama's results-oriented approach to reduce the deficit and invest in the right priorities to fuel innovation and move America forward by creating new jobs and new opportunities for America's families. And Democratic governors will continue every day to make the tough choices to ensure that our states – and our nation – are poised for success in the new global economy. We look forward to working with President Obama and Congress to achieve this end.”

Washington Governor Christine O. Gregoire:

“In tonight's State of the Union address, President Obama challenged every member of Congress and every American to keep America's place in the world through innovation, competition and education. The proposals he unveiled to create jobs and control spending echoed some of what we have done to solve the challenges in Washington's budget, like transforming government and tackling the programs that drive up costs year after year. The President is providing the strong leadership and bold direction that our economic recovery is demanding. America's economic future lays with the jobs that will power innovative, new industry. The President's focus on the jobs of tomorrow bodes well for our state. As a global leader in - and major exporter of - technology, aerospace, life sciences, clean energy and other 21st Century industries, Washington state is well positioned to compete-and win-in the new, global economy. I was especially pleased at President Obama's call for Congress and all Americans to work together as our nation rebuilds its economy and forges a more prosperous future for our children and communities. Over the past few weeks, I have announced proposals that would reduce unemployment taxes for businesses, help more unemployed workers retrain for new careers and unify Washington's education system so there is more focus on students and less on bureaucracy. These initiatives will improve our state's competitiveness at home and abroad and offer families, workers and businesses a path to emerge stronger from this recession.”

Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton

“It was a terrific speech. Under President Obama’s leadership, our country is on its way to a new era in which we will lead the world into the 21st century through public-private partnerships in innovation, research, education and infrastructure. My goal is for all of us in Minnesota to work together so that our state will once again lead our country into this new era.”

Delaware Governor Jack Markell

“While much of the speech was about innovation - making sure the nation has ready the tools for tomorrow - the challenges we face and the choices we make in this area are rooted in what's best from our past. Our nation's history as a leader in growth economies - defined in turns by agriculture, heavy industry and information technology - did not happen by accident. It required hundreds of thousands of people to make a conscious commitment to keep our nation ahead. The President affirmed that commitment tonight and is clearly leading us forward.”

Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin

“The President’s speech was an important call for civility, innovation and bipartisan cooperation to move our nation forward. The President understands that to move our nation out of this recession and maintain our global leadership, we can and must be bold and do big things. Here in Vermont, we are renewing our commitment to making our state competitive in a global economy through technology and innovation. The President’s emphasis on expanding broadband and improving our aging transportation infrastructure particularly resonates in our state. I was also encouraged by the President’s willingness to be flexible on the implementation of the health care law and applaud his steadfast commitment to ensuring that we not turn the clock back on the progress we have made. I look forward to continuing to work in partnership with the White House on our shared agenda.”

Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper

“If there was one word that stood out in the President’s speech tonight it was innovation. His emphasis on reform, responsibility and support for education was right on target. The President sounded themes that should resonate with Coloradans no matter what their political affiliation may be, including a call to make government more efficient, cutting red tape and unleashing the country’s entrepreneurial spirit. It was also encouraging to hear the President commend a Colorado school that embraced reform and created opportunity for its students. This kind of change isn’t Democrat or Republican – it’s change sparked by all communities coming together. We need more of that for the benefit of our Colorado and our nation.”

Mayors: What They’re Saying About the President’s State of the Union Address

Following President Obama’s second State of the Union address, here’s what Mayors are saying:

Burnsville, Minnesota Mayor Elizabeth Kautz, U.S. Conference of Mayors President

“The nation's mayors are pleased that President Obama spoke about unity and bipartisanship as we move forward to solve the challenges facing America and address this country's deteriorating infrastructure. For years, The U.S. Conference of Mayors has pushed infrastructure modernization as a means of job creation and economic development. A multi-modal transportation system is critical to effectively moving the nation's goods and services and people -- 85% of whom live, work and travel in metropolitan areas -- through the nation's cities both large and small. Last week, the mayors of the nation gathered in Washington, D.C. for the Conference of Mayors' Winter Meeting, where mayors met with President Obama and again shared the need to focus on jobs. The unemployment rate in our nation's cities continues to be our first priority as statistics show that one-third of the nation's 363 metro areas will still have an unemployment rate higher than 10 percent at the end of 2011. "We know that the nation's recovery will be driven by the economic engines of the metropolitan areas, and without job growth in the metropolitan areas, there can be no sustained national recovery. Mayors are pragmatic - we work for the good of all people we serve. As a national nonpartisan organization that represents mayors who get things done everyday in their own cities, we stand ready to work with the President and the Congress to bring Washington together to get things done on the national level. We also are working with business leaders to forge a national consensus in support of job creation and infrastructure investment.

Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Mayor Michael A. Nutter

"President Obama tonight put every nation in the global marketplace on notice – America is coming back stronger than ever. The President’s playbook underscores that our contest is not a partisan battle between red and blue. No, it’s about propelling the USA into a prosperous future based on critical investments in education, transportation and energy even as we’re creating a leaner, more focused Federal government working with American business to innovate and to build the real powerhouse of the 21st Century with dozens of job-rich hubs like the clean-energy campus at the Navy Yard, right here in Philadelphia."

Newark, New Jersey Mayor Cory A. Booker

“Tonight the President of the United States put forth a compelling vision for our nation’s future. He spoke in sound pragmatic terms about how we can forge ahead and build a stronger more competitive American economy. Specifically, for us in Newark, we heard substantive hope for our community and residents. The President's emphasis on building up our infrastructure, aiding small businesses, investing in education and fueling research at universities and other institutions all speak to creating a strong economy, increased growth and future jobs in our city and region. I am encouraged by his plans, inspired by his vision and more hopeful about our future. I look forward to working with our President to make real his vision and implement his bold plans.”

New Orleans, Louisiana Mayor Mitch Landrieu

“Last week, when I met with President Obama, he committed to create jobs by making smart investments in infrastructure, education, and innovation. Tonight, President Obama demonstrated that he clearly understands the needs of the American people and specifically those of us in cities across our country. President Obama understands like I do that a leaner, more efficient government doesn’t mean cutting at any cost. We cannot cut our way to excellence. We must cut smart, reorganize, and invest for the future. This is not only about creating better communities today but also for future generations. Tonight, President Obama laid out a plan to win by out-innovating, out-educating and out-building the rest of the world. No where is the battle for the future of America more evident than here in New Orleans—the most immediate laboratory for change and innovation in our country. With President Obama as a key partner, we are transforming our infrastructure, schools, housing and health care system, and in the process, we are creating a more robust economy. I look forward to working with the President as we rebuild New Orleans and create a blue print for urban renewal across America.”

Columbia, South Carolina Mayor Steve Benjamin

“Tonight the President showed us once again that true leadership is focused on the next generation not the next election. He has dared us to think big and act boldly. He has challenged us to raise our expectations for our schools, our government and ourselves. He has asked us to make a difference. Here in Columbia, we are ready to meet the President’s challenge for a new era of clean energy. We are ready to lead the way. It’s time for us all to work together and win our future by investing in education, innovation and infrastructure. In his speech tonight, President Obama has shown us how.”

Flint, Michigan Mayor Dayne Walling

“As America faces some of its toughest challenges in its history, President Obama tonight restored our faith and hope in America and its future. He laid the ground work of how we will compete and win in the 21st Century through education and innovation. As the Mayor of Flint, MI, I was delighted to hear the president highlight a Michigan small business that is helping our state and our country lead the way in alternative energy. I was encouraged by the president’s assertion that government will invest in this kind of innovation. The President laid out a solid plan for an economy driven by new skills and new ideas that will secure prosperity for ourselves and future generations of Americans, in our cities and all across our country.”

Newtown, Massachusetts Mayor Setti Warren

"President Obama delivered a clear and strong message tonight. As a Mayor in these difficult economic times, I applaud the President's commitment to eliminating waste, embracing the use of technology to make government more efficient, and making smart investments in our future."

Jacksonville, Florida Mayor John Peyton

“Our country may be shouldering one of the most challenging economic times in its history; however, we continue to embrace and strive for the many opportunities that lie ahead. I was pleased to hear President Obama plans to regain control of governmental spending and reduce our national deficit so as a country we can eliminate barriers to our success.”

Youngstown, Ohio Mayor Jay Williams

“The President's State of the Union address was masterful in content, tone, and delivery. I sense a renewed optimism and inspiration over the course of the next two years and I am eager to help advance the agenda that President Obama has laid out for this country. The State of our Union is strong!”

Saint Paul, Minnesota Mayor Chris Coleman


“Tonight the President laid out a clear vision for the future of America. A future that will be won with cooperation between the public and private sectors to foster job creation and a robust commitment to investment in our infrastructure. In particular, I applaud his emphasis on educational innovation and the critical role it will play in the future competitiveness of our nation. The President was right. We do big things when we work together and are open to an honest debate on the merits of the challenges we face. I look forward to working with businesses and community leaders to achieve even bigger things here in Saint Paul and throughout the region.”

Milwaukee, Wisconsin Mayor Tom Barrett

“Tonight, President Obama spoke directly to the American people about growing our economy and securing our nation’s future. There is so much more to be done for the millions of Americans who are out of work, for our families struggling to make-up for lost wages and for our young people looking to join the workforce. President Obama laid out a plan to tackle these issues. It’s time Democrats, Republicans and Independents join the President in making sure that our economy is growing and working for all Americans. President Obama is right. Our greatest challenge is not overcoming partisan politics; it’s winning the race with global competitors for the jobs and industries we need to keep America great.”

Des Moines, Iowa Mayor Frank Cownie

“The President outlined tonight an economic agenda that will create jobs for the American people and continue the economic recovery. It is a realistic plan that makes tough budget choices while investing in our future. The President is asking all of us to be more creative in building a more competitive economy. This means we will have to find ways to spend our federal resources smarter and more efficiently. This is what every American family has had to do since the start of the recession and one that the federal government must now embrace. I applaud the President’s priorities for increasing American competitiveness, including continued investments in infrastructure, education, research and development, and energy independence."

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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:53 PM
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15. Elites stroking each other.
Must maintain the illusion that they are "patriots" with only the citizens best interests at heart.

The facade is cracking.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 07:05 PM
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18. So now mayors are elitists?
The President's SOTU is never about the budget picture of states, it's about the budget and policies of the federal government.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 07:07 PM
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19. Yes they are. nt
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:01 AM
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36. The mayor of the city I lived in the longest gets a salary of
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 09:02 AM by Bluenorthwest
$230,000 plus perks and expenses. The city council gets 177,000 each, free cars, free gas, large staffs, free health care, and it does not end. Compared to the people they represent, yes, ma'am those are elite compensation packages. Very much so.
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Knight Hawk Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:58 PM
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67. YES
It is like that most places.
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lark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:41 PM
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52. Some of the mayors are Repugs
and were happy with Obama's plans to cut programs that benefit the middle class. Is that something you want to celebrate and if so, why??
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:13 PM
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57. I thought that must have come from the Whitehouse
And so it did.
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Fuddnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:32 PM
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62. The White House web site.
Now there's an unbiased source.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:44 PM
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64. Yeah...really not as
unbiased as FDL, now is it?
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:33 PM
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13. It was...surreal.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:34 PM
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14. Wow- the name "Firedog Lake" is like flypaper for some people.
Edited on Wed Jan-26-11 06:35 PM by Marr
They instantly throw a fit. It's kind of funny.
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:53 PM
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16. I wonder which speech the FDL dead enders watched
"That world has changed. And for many, the change has been painful. I’ve seen it in the shuttered windows of once booming factories, and the vacant storefronts on once busy Main Streets. I’ve heard it in the frustrations of Americans who’ve seen their paychecks dwindle or their jobs disappear -– proud men and women who feel like the rules have been changed in the middle of the game."
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 07:27 PM
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20. So let's raise their taxes. Yup that's the ticket. nt
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 08:05 PM
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22. The OP claimed these problems were ignored - it's as fact challenged as Bachmann's retort n/t
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 08:45 PM
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24. Allowing a raise in taxes on the poorest of americans, tragically the bottom 40%,
proves not only that the problems are being ignored but Obama's pretty words in his "state of the union as experience by elites" speech are a bunch of baloney.

It takes an out of touch elite or in this case bunch of elites to allow a tax increase on "proud men and women" and then claim they can "feel their pain".

"I’ve heard it in the frustrations of Americans who’ve seen their paychecks dwindle or their jobs disappear -– proud men and women who feel like the rules have been changed in the middle of the game."

What gall and arrogance.

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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 08:58 PM
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25. The OP claimed these problems were ignored - it's as fact challenged as Bachmann's retort
The fallacy in the OP remains. The whole piece is pretty much baseless hyperbole.

But changing the subject as you have, the taxes went up because provisions of the stimulus benefitting the poor expired. Their taxes are still lower than when Obama took office. If you'd like an even better deal, elect more Democrats.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 09:15 PM
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28. Allowing a stimulus program to expire on the working poor while lowering taxes for everyone richer
Edited on Wed Jan-26-11 09:19 PM by ipaint
is 100% unacceptable. Anyone who allows or supports that and then waxes eloquently on how much they care about those unfortunate americans is a liar. Empty words.
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 09:20 PM
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30. Let's deal with political reality
The alternative to striking a deal was doing nothing - in which case taxes on the poor would have increased more than the very small amount they did. It's not a question of what Obama decided to allow - it was a negotiation, and your anger should be directed toward Republicans.

Get used to it, because no legislation will pass the next two years without Republican support.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 10:46 PM
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31. No, the political reality was that the tax cuts for the rich needed to be dealt with before
the elections. Massive fail on the part of the president and democrats. Showing no regard for the poor or working poor while pandering to the wealthy and comfortable classes. Per usual.

The elite dem politicians failed and the bottom 40% of this country, who by the way are experiencing a depression, continue to pay the price. Pretty words in a fairy tale speech about a perfect country filled with exceptional citizens living happily ever after slaving away for poverty wages won't change reality.

My anger is directed at cowardly dem leadership. There is no fucking excuse for betraying those most in need of help.

Once again- massive disconnect and willful ignorance.
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:35 AM
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45. Fair to question their timing or negotiating tactics
But your characterization of the Democrats as uncaring for the lower income groups is off base. It was the President that pushed for their priorities, and the Republicans pushed against.

You can argue they could have gotten more with better strategy, but the undeniable truth is the interest of lower income Americans is championed by Democrats, with Republicans blocking all they can.

If you review the speech more closely, I don't think you'll come up with a passage where the president ever described our current state as perfect or anything close to it.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:56 PM
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53. that's not political reality - that's Bush logic
"the alternative to my really stupid plan, is to do nothing"

What about the alternative of calling their bluff?
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Still a Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:08 PM
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55. Obama got a good deal
"Obama’s components of the tax deal (extended unemployment benefits, the payroll tax cut, and the extended credits) will cost $214 billion to aid 156 million people. The Republicans priorities (extending the Bush tax cuts for the rich and cutting the estate tax), meanwhile, will cost $133 billion, but only benefit roughly 4.8 million people."

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/12/07/tax-priorities/

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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:23 PM
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58. yeah, like the payroll tax cut benefits the poor or the working class
I've seen those lies before. Kinda sad to see Think Progress pushing bogus numbers http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/138
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nckjm Donating Member (66 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 04:55 PM
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66. How do you strike a deal...
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 05:00 PM by nckjm
...with people who do not share your core values? Compromise is based on lose/lose thinking. Collaboration is based on win/win thinking. Compromise is basically, "nobody gets what they want...so everybody should be equally miserable". That pretty much sums up all the compromises so far, I think.

I'm amazed that anyone of moral conscience can envision finding "common ground" with people who would 1)starve the poor (i.e. hold the unemployed hostage to force tax breaks for millionaires), 2)let the sick die (repeal health care), 3) increase their profits from breaking the backs of the working poor (cut/eliminate "entitlements") and feel NO REMORSE OR GUILT while doing it. What does this say about their core values?

Would you have been able to find common ground with Timothy McVeigh? I hope not. Did he not hate what you loved? Did he not seek to destroy what you sought to protect? Did he not look at the world through the eyes of hate and fear? That made him dangerous..too dangerous. It's the same thing. These people (Republicans, Teapartiers) don't think like evolved, socially-conscious, loving people....their consciousness level stops at "I've got mine, f*ck you."

The majority of Americans don't have either a) the mental interest, time, or stamina to learn about what is really happening or b)the level of consciousness that would make them someone you could "compromise" with. And it's foolish to try to.

Those you would have us compromise with operate under their own values: keep the huddled masses overworked, or desperate for work, poor, uneducated, hooked on distractions (TV, sports, texting), and fed on Fox News and you have the formula for our true state of our union.

Democrats who can't see this are fiddling while Rome burns.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 08:07 PM
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:56 PM
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17. His political strategy is optimism.
So, naturally the outrage junkies and chronic malcontents weren't going to like it.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 07:58 PM
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21. Optimism isn't a political strategy or a tactic to implement a political strategy.

Optimism is an attitude of somebody who feels positive and expects the best possible outcome.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:00 AM
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35. I believe in being postive when possible.
Believe it or not. :D

Trying to pretend that poison is nutritious is not optimism. It's stupidity. It's blind arrogance. It's dishonesty.

I'm not feeling positive about this administration or the direction our nation is heading. I don't expect any kind of good outcome.

That's reality.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 09:04 PM
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27. Optimism in this context is directly related to american exceptionalism.
The ability to deny the reality of the poor and working poor in favor of a pretend world where poverty is a personal failing, decay and decline a minor problem stemming from pockets of failed individual citizens.

Optimism defends and protects the status quo from this dangerous realization-

"When someone works for less pay than she can live on — when, for example, she goes hungry so that you can eat more cheaply and conveniently — then she has made a great sacrifice for you, she has made you a gift of some part of her abilities, her health, and her life. The 'working poor,' as they are approvingly termed, are in fact the major philanthropists of our society. They neglect their own children so that the children of others will be cared for; they live in substandard housing so that other homes will be shiny and perfect; they endure privation so that inflation will be low and stock prices high. To be a member of the working poor is to be an anonymous donor, a nameless benefactor, to everyone else."
— Barbara Ehrenreich (Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America)
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 11:49 PM
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32. The cause of the world-wide economic crisis was the exceptional greed of Wall Street

The exceptionalism is a fact.
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ipaint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 06:55 AM
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33. Yes we have a small group at the very top who are exceptional assholes. nt
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Safetykitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 09:18 PM
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29. An overall horrifying speech of epic disconnect and general insanity.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:20 AM
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creon Donating Member (723 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:42 AM
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39. not everone likes Obama
Some members of the RW commentariat call him a 'socialist'. Some members of the LW commentariat calls him a 'corporatist'.

Hero on Monday, bum on Tuesday; both days were identical. people are fickle.
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 09:46 AM
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41. ...


Sid
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:29 AM
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43. The speech is not going to be 80 hours long
To mention everything every pundit wants it to contain.

It wasn't negative enough seems to be the whine here.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:50 AM
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44. Public Citizen didn't much like it either
from one of their e-mails:

But there were many sources of concern in the speech as well. In too many cases, there was a disconnect between positive themes and troubling policy proposals.

In these instances, rather than articulating an agenda for doing big things, President Obama devoted energy and time to offering goodies to corporate interests and shackling his government with a self-destructive budgetary freeze.


and from their press release: http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/pressroomredirect.cfm?ID=3268


It was beyond surreal to hear President Barack Obama talk about the priority of creating U.S. jobs while saying nothing about on fixing our China trade debacle and calling on Congress to pass a NAFTA-style trade agreement with Korea that the government’s own studies show will increase our trade deficit. The Korea pact is projected to cost another 159,000 U.S. jobs – with nine economic sectors, including high tech electronics, as losers.


The kudos here for a speech full of pretty talk and platitudes but mostly appallingly corporate policy is also surreal. Lower tax rates for corporations - sure, that'll fix things right up! I'm sure the Chamber of Commerce is chortling in their sleeves, while the rest of us can go eat worms (and old expression signifying something like "too bad for you, nah nah nah).
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decidedlyso Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:40 AM
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46. The US is being dismantled piece by piece.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 11:41 AM
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47. i totally get what obama did and why. it worked. nt
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:39 PM
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51. Yep
When House Republicans shut down government later this summer, Obama can point out this speech to voters, showing that he bent over backward to reach common ground with them.

Maybe that will wake up some people to the fact that the GOP has no answers other than "no".

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:08 PM
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:11 PM
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49. K&R nt
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 12:13 PM
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50. I don't think it was so much "ignoring" as it was sidestepping. And if this helps him...
...to slide some solid progressive wins past the Rape-Publicans and their corporate puppet masters, as several good progressives are suggesting, all the more power to the President.

NGU.

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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 01:04 PM
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54. Excellent work, as always. K&R #42.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:30 PM
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68. Kick
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True_Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 01:07 AM
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69. He came off as either uncaring or completely out-of-touch
His SOTU was obviously mainly for Wall Street. He pretty much declared the recession over since they're doing so well. Is he just living in some sort of DC bubble now?
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