NYT: Wikileaks altered the helicopter video, "Collateral Damage."

[pnwmom]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/magazine/30Wikileaks-t.html

WikiLeaks’s biggest coup to that point was the release, last April, of video footage taken from one of two U.S. helicopters involved in firing down on a crowd and a building in Baghdad in 2007, killing at least 18 people. While some of the people in the video were armed, others gave no indication of menace; two were in fact journalists for the news agency Reuters. The video, with its soundtrack of callous banter, was horrifying to watch and was an embarrassment to the U.S. military. But in its zeal to make the video a work of antiwar propaganda, WikiLeaks also released a version that didn’t call attention to an Iraqi who was toting a rocket-propelled grenade and packaged the manipulated version under the tendentious rubric “Collateral Murder.”

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Here is a link to both the edited and the full version of the helicopter video

http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2011/video/opensecrets/

[leftstreet]

1. Is 'didn't call attention to' really altering?

:shrug:

[pnwmom]

2. The altered video is half as long as the full one. n/t

[leftstreet]

4. Right. So just two different filmed versions. No 'altering.'

No photoshopping a large Clown Car into the vids or anything

[pnwmom]

8. Editing it down to half as long is altering.

Removing context is altering.

[leftstreet]

11. Yeah, I wish they'd left the part in with Ceiling Cat

Meh. I can't take seriously any article that labels antiwar sentiment as 'propaganda'

unRec

[Indydem]

3. YES

If you crop in length or frame in order to exclude that information.

[Luminous Animal]

25. Why do you believe that they were altering infomation? I've watched both videos

and the man with the grenade launcher does not mitigate the murder of the civilians.

[eleny]

5. I watched the video of the NYT editors speaking about Assange and WikiLeaks

They really want to dismantle it all.

[hlthe2b]

6. NYT is not exactly looking too credible lately, so who knows....

They certainly are trying hard to villainize all involved. :shrug:

[pnwmom]

10. The full and edited videos are at the link, so this has little to do with

the NYTimes's credibility.

[Luminous Animal]

24. The full and edited versions are also available on the Wikileaks site.

The were both released at the same time as the NY Times reported back in April.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/07wikileaks.html

"The site is not shy about its intent to shape media coverage, and Mr. Assange said he considered himself both a journalist and an advocate; should he be forced to choose one, he would choose advocate. WikiLeaks did not merely post the 38-minute video, it used the label “Collateral Murder” and said it depicted “indiscriminate” and “unprovoked” killing. (The Pentagon defended the killings and said no disciplinary action was taken at the time of the incident.) "

[mcollins]

7. altered is editing now?

George Lucas has some 'splaining to do.

[pnwmom]

9. Altered means changed. Yes, editing does change things. nt

[Iggo]

21. Yes, but does disingenuous mean lying?

[seabeyond]

12. the first one was 39 minutes. so i am not going ot waste time watching. wiki piece of shit

if they kept info out of that video that better explains what happened that day. it is only one of two relevent leaks wiki has exposed on the u.s. and if they had to alter to get their story, shame on them.

and anyway who defends this, and defends wiki after saying we need exposure, well....

[Luminous Animal]

16. They released both versions.

http://www.collateralmurder.com/

[seabeyond]

19. the video i watched and we discussed had no conversation about a person with rocket launcher. nt

[Luminous Animal]

20. Who's fault is that? It was quite easy to see the full version. Both were posted

on the Wikileaks site and Youtube on the same day.

[Luminous Animal]

22. In April, THE NEW YORK TIMES reported that Wikileaks released the full version.

The site is not shy about its intent to shape media coverage, and Mr. Assange said he considered himself both a journalist and an advocate; should he be forced to choose one, he would choose advocate. WikiLeaks did not merely post the 38-minute video, it used the label “Collateral Murder” and said it depicted “indiscriminate” and “unprovoked” killing. (The Pentagon defended the killings and said no disciplinary action was taken at the time of the incident.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/07/world/07wikileaks.html

[1monster]

18. Actually, the full version makes this look worse than the wikileaks version.

Picking up wounded is now grounds for killing?! What twisted people we are. And from the quality of that film, there is now way to see if the victims of this operation were carrying AK47s or if they were carrying guitars. If there was no aggressive behavior, then there was no legitimate reason to kill them.

This is an illegal war and the bad guys are us. We as a nation are guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

And you call Wikileaks a POS?!

As Pogo once stated: We have met the enemy and they are us.

[Smarmie Doofus]

13. "A secret cadre of antisecrecy vigilantes"? Oh brother.

>>> a secretive cadre of antisecrecy vigilantes, >>>

I've heard wikileaks described in more unflattering terms... but I can't remember when.

Is this a news piece ... or commentary?

If it's news, you'd think they'd get thru the first paragraph without letting you know whose side they're on.

Come to think of it... no serious piece of commentary would employ such heavy-handed ... and unfair....denigration in p#1.

Anyway... on to paragraph 2.

I just can't wait to see what these evildoing vigilantes could *possibly* be up to.

[Dawson Leery]

14. Remember this is Judy Miller's former sugar daddy.

[Luminous Animal]

15. Wikileaks released both the 17 minute edited version and the full 39 minute version

http://www.collateralmurder.com/

[Luminous Animal]

17. Ironic that the NY Times got the full version from Wikileaks.

And Keller likes to pretend that only the shorter version is titled "Collateral Murder" when, in fact, both the 39 minute video and the 17 minute video have the same title.

http://www.collateralmurder.com/

[divine_truine]

23. the NYT does possess scathing info given to them by wikileaks...

...and this is how they return the favor? The nytimes is really spiralling down the turlet!

[underpants]

26. The guy looking around the corner?? he had a camera not a rocket launcher

thanks for toting that bale NY Times