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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:19 PM
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Inequality Is Killing Us
Having just spent some time pondering the "The Spirit Level" by Richard Wilkinson and Kate Pickett I felt that it may be one of the most important books of the twenty first century. I am not a trained sociologist or a statistician and I didn't need to be one to understand the the information contained in this very concise volume, as it is laid out for the layman and the information is well presented.

This book demolishes the whole objectivist myth. The very first eye opener to me was that average income only affects life span in the early stages of a countries development. It actually starts leveling off after an average income of about $10,000 US. What does affect lifespan is income inequality. For example, the age adjusted death rate in the USA is 70% higher for the poor than for the rich. This is not surprising to me, but the numbers also show the more equal societies do better right across the board with better results in health and social problems, infant mortality , child well being and happiness. That those at the middle and upper stratum also do better in more equal societies will come as a surprise to many goes without saying.

Internationally the developed countries with the least inequality score the highest in categories such as homicide rates , age adjusted death rate for workers and infant mortality. The same is also true in state by state comparisons. The most unequal states have the worst results, the most equal states the best, but there is little correlation between results and average income.

Originally I was going to come up with a number as to the true cost of inequality in the USA and put it into life and dollars, but I don't have the time and ability to do a good job on it so I can only hope that
at least some read this book and maybe some of our voters and politicians will finally understand what
Paul Wellstone meant when he said "We all do better when we all do better".

The countries with the healthiest and happiest population are countries that are the most equal in income, but this is not necessarily achieved through tax policy. In Japan its mainly a cultural value that no one is paid an exorbitant amount. Unions are an important factor in providing income equality, and may be the only way forward in a tax averse America. Increasing the minimum wage would also be a huge step forward. Most economist view minimum wage increases as having a multiplier like unemployment of about 170% so it would not only benefit the working poor, but nearly all of us. This is why I think that the best course of action for all of us is to push for minimum wage increases at the state level since it isn't going to get through the current Congress. In states that have initiative voting raising the minimum wage has carried by large majorities even in Republican states like Missouri. It seems that Americans have a basic decency and fairness that only needs to be appealed to.




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Newest Reality Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:26 PM
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1. That issue is addressed in
the latest Zeitgeist movie: Moving Forward, amongst many other relevant subjects. It is an important and controversial subject that deserves far more attention amongst astute and concerned people.

It can be said that poverty is one of the biggest killers on the planet. Around 30k children die every day, globally, (roughly, have not checked recent stats) simply because food, potable water or basic medical care is not available to them. You could fill-up a major stadium with them each and every day.
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:29 PM
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2. There is a great book on this called The Spirt Level
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 07:39 PM by Exultant Democracy
edit to add silly Exultant, and claim the inattentive reader prize.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:34 PM
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3. Just wondering
did you happen to read the original post?
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:37 PM
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4. lol, seems like i managed to skip the first line oops.
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:21 PM
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13. I wholeheartedly concur on the rec, though
I used this book extensively in my graduate Professional Paper:
Gilded Again: Extreme Inequality in our time
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 10:24 PM
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14. Thanks for the book rec
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:17 PM
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6. Glad to hear you read it.
Also I'm always looking for good book recommendations.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:42 PM
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5. urm...
Osler, who George Stephanopoulos described as perhaps "Loughner's last close friend," said, "I really think that this Zeitgeist documentary had a profound impact upon Jared Loughner's mindset, and how he viewed the world that he lives in."

And though by Osler's account he and Loughner stopped hanging out two years ago, and there's no way of knowing what Loughner thinks of the documentaries today, there are a few resonances between the film and the online videos attributed to Loughner.

Zeitgeist: The Movie, produced in 2007 by a man named Peter Joseph, is actually the first film in what's now a trilogy. A sequel, Zeitgeist: Addendum, came out in 2008, and a third film, Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, was scheduled to be released over the weekend. Together, they form the foundation for The Zeitgeist Movement, which, according to the movement's website, "works globally to spread information about a new social system called a Resource Based Economy." The website claims 420,000 people have registered as part of the movement, and says "estimates" put the number of online views of the original Zeitgeist: The Movie at over 100 million. (In March 2009, The New York Times reported on a "Z-Day" event in New York City.)

The first film (which you can watch in its entirety here) "debunks" myths and "exposes" conspiracies about religion, monetary policy, wars and 9/11. The film features a nameless narrator, and combines graphics, news footage and trippy animations with words from famous thinkers, stand up comedians and public officials, topping it all off with commentary from various conspiracy theorists. Among other things, the movie critiques the central bank model, controlled by the "ruthless banking interests," which it says leads inexorably to debt.


http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/01/ex-friend_loughner_was_influenced_by_conspiracy_th.php#

Really?
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:27 PM
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8. I too thought it was vague
And I didn't see any practical solutions on how to get to a more equitable society.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:32 PM
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11. i don't see any from the democratic party either
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:31 PM
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9.  George Stephanopoulos is someone who I would trust
to analyze a mass murder and then slam that movie?
And who the hell is Osler but a figurehead
for what?



I call bullshit on what you are trying to spin.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:31 PM
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10. i have to say, that's bullshit. there's no equivalent to "you're going to have to shoot liberals in
the head" in any of the zeitgeist flicks.

they may be dubious for other reasons, but not because they encourage violence.
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Nuclear Unicorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:33 AM
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15. Paranoia, hatred and a sense there are no legitimate avenues of redress
can be strong motivators too.

What do you think drives those idiot militias?

"ZOMG!! They're taking our freedoms and the courts and the politishuns and the media are all c'rupt!!!"

With a message like that who needs direct incitement?

Zeitgeist is a freakin' troofer movie. Can anyone honestly say that advancing the notion that the government deliberately murdered 3,000 of its own people so as to commit global wars of aggression leaves the gullible viewer any impression other than they are up against a ruthless regime that cannot be displaced by political means?

If McVeigh was motivated by Waco what does that say about troofers?
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:24 PM
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7. That is be true but
This is not the focus of the book. The real focus is that inequality gas affects across all of society. As I said in my post the data make it clear that once a society has achieved a marginal level of development increased development has little impact on social and health problems,but inequality does
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:34 PM
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12. That was my point in another thread
about inequality and equality and stratification of it.

Thanks for the thread.
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OneGrassRoot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:36 AM
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16. It's at my library. I'm going to get it today.
Thanks very much for the recommendation!

:hi:

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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:48 AM
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17. As the wealthy might say, "What's this 'us'?"
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kctim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 09:23 AM
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18. Isn't this the main argument today?
What is more important, freedom or income 'equality?'
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