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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:33 PM
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The amount of violence a society is equal to the
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 07:55 PM by Ichingcarpenter
amount of inequality a society has.......

LOOK it up and prove me wrong.

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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:36 PM
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1. I don't have to because you are right.
Disenfranchised people, who have lost hope, will turn to crime and violence. People who have decent jobs and quality of life, turn their energies to doing positive, not destructive things.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:37 PM
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2. Interesting perspective
but I'd need to see the data, including violence against women and children, violence at the workplace, as well as the rest of violence in society.

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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:43 PM
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4. So look it up? That is the challenge.
And that's what search engines are for.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:47 PM
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5. Regardless of material wealth the stratification of that
society increases violence, infant mortality, mental illness,
when the degree of inequality vs equality is aberrance.

More equal countries score higher on all data.

The Whitehall study is one to look at.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:00 PM
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10. Absolutely true but they don't use the notion of violence
to describe infant mortality, mental health illness etc., although they should.

There is no doubt that more equal countries score higher.
Still there are some very poor places without the kind of violence of say Jamaica, but I'd like to see the data that is not included like violence against women, children, at the workplace and even in the prisons and lock ups.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:41 PM
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3. I'm inclined to agree...
And I think you can judge the civility of any society based on how they treat the least fortunate among them.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:48 PM
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6. Exactly, JuniperLea, great point. OP makes much sense to me also. n/t
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:52 PM
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7. The terms are too generalized to prove or disprove.
What do you mean by "violence"? Wars? Assaults? Rapes? Entertainment? Domestic Abuse?

What do you mean by "inequality"? Income? Political Power? Civil Right?

What do you mean by "society"? Social/Religious/Political Groupings? Nations?

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:58 PM
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9. Ok.. take
Murder, incarceration, child abuse, assault
and do a study on that on a world stage.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 07:57 PM
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8. Costa Rica has low violence but extreme inequality.
Same with Singapore, Malaysia, Hong Kong, Portugal, Chile, Argentina, Uruguay, Namibia, Cambodia, and others.

Conversely, here are some with high violence, but more income equality: India, Indonesia, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Moldova, Mongolia, Tajikistan, Yemen, Ukraine, Russia and others.

Sorry, I don't think your argument holds up. I don't see a connection between income inequality and violence.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:01 PM
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11. I said it was stratification of income
Edited on Thu Jan-27-11 08:04 PM by Ichingcarpenter
Now if you look at your counties ...... yes they have rich
but how much is the stratification?

The US is highly stratified.
It is higher than Mexico
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:09 PM
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12. Costa Rica has Universal healthcare
Maybe that might help?
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:16 PM
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13. Absolutely. And the violent society is created by the wealthy to keep
the "lower classes" down. Look at any city and who they are prosecuting. eom.
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Scruffy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-27-11 08:39 PM
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14. Where do I send the prize? K&R
Been doing a lot of reading on this. "The Spirit Level" by Wilkinson and Pickett is a great primer.
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