We're All Expected to Not Make NAZI Comparisons

[liberalmike27]

But NAZIs were famous for doing things like rounding up all of the retarded people, or people that had health problems, and they viewed it as a public works problem. Many were put-down. I hate to use that term, but I can't see that it is much different than that. They were viewed as a taxing element of society, and dealt with by simply killing them.

Recently republicans voted, pointlessly yes, to repeal health care. Now I know a lot of people don't bother watching PBS, or Frontline, or any show that actually interviews the people who lack care. But they are out there. We've got people who need, say Chemotherapy after surgery, and simply can't get it. There are many other situations where people, due to being sick, were either denied care, or when they ran out of money, were kicked off of insurnace due to the fact they could no longer pay the ever increasing premiums after actually using insurnace--even if they'd been paying it for decades.

So Republicans, in essence, are voting to allow people to do without care, and people will die. People are dying in AZ right now that can't get transplants because of governor Jan Brewer's cuts to medicare (or medicaid, always mix up those two).

Now policy is directional. Fascism, Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism are all more like fluid, like moving left or right. That's why it annoys me when someone says "That's Socialism," not just because it often isn't, but also because it'd more correctly be put that it may be inching over toward a more socialistic system. It isn't like it's a place, a particular city or something.

So undeniably, when you repeal health care, you move in a direction policy-wise. And though it isn't rounding up and gassing special-needs folks, or the workshy, or those who can't actively contribute to the economy (the homeless and unemployed), there is no denying that trying to repeal health care, strip services toward those who are unemployed, or need food, or welfare, is kind of moving in that direction. People die because they don't have these services. Grayson was not wrong, though the media went apoplectic about him actually coming out and saying it.

Clearly we're in several wars, and demand compliance from everyone, as if we want to rule the world also.

Now Germans were one of the most advanced, well-educated societies on the globe when Naziism rose, Fascism. I know it moved along a bit more quickly, but I can't help but wonder if it didn't move through a phase like the one we're experiencing now. Are republicans NAZIs, of course not. But I have to say, Glen Beck, and FOX, and Rush at times really do seem like they are picking on a lot of Jews these days. Add other ethnic groups, Muslims, Immigrant Mexicans, homosexuals, and Black folks. The more people to hate for distraction, the better for them I guess. I'm just saying, are we heading in that direction, and if so, why is it so bad that we point that out?

[Ozymanithrax]

1. Nazi's were infamous... n/t

[RKP5637]

2. And we have I think about 50 million in this country living in poverty, and how many

on the edge of that, and how many of the really sick out of sight, out of mind. We have horrors going on in this country and many are swept out of sight, the voiceless. Many people are silently falling through the cracks of this society. We need cooperation in this country, not unbridled capitalistic competition. And IMO entities like Beck, FOX, Rush and the herd bring out the worst in a society. Hate is popularized, not fairness and solutions.

[Denninmi]

3. Well, I don't think it's bad to call a spade a spade.

Call it what it is.

[EnlightenedOne]

4. My thoughts exactly

from the Bush - 9/11 thread currently in DU General Discussion.

I do not understand why the left is blamed for the Hitler comparisons to Bush. No, Bush didn't actually put millions of humans into gas chambers, but he is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent brown people (Arabs), women, children, grandmothers, babies, etc. To bomb them instead of gas them is somehow more humane? We had our own torture chambers, we had our own Guantanamo - but not dare call it what it is - Bush's Reichstags Fire.

[DirkGently]

5. Sometimes hyperbole is not hyperbole. Republicans DO rely on the Big Lie.

[Fuzz]

6. But, but Nazis were Socialists. It's right in there name!

:sarcasm:

[liberalmike27]

7. Yea Fuzz

Understanding your comment is Sarcasm, the shut-up line for that is "You know that Germany actually had a Socialist Party at that time (and now I think) that was called "The Socialist Party."

Surely at some point they passed through this level of incivility toward other humans and ethnic groups in general, before they arrived at the gas-chambers.

And how about the arts. We, as a country, have been moving away from the arts for decades, music and art departments are always the first to be slashed, just like much of the art was collected and warehoused, much of it never returned to their rightful owners.

The torture, my God, the torture of the time, and we've brought that back, I suspect we still do it.

The comparisons go on, and on. Revisionist history, it's big on the right, much the same as then, no dissent is allowed, and if history or its representation has to be changed to achieve a goal, then so be it. We've got a virtual monopoly in the media, mostly at the least slightly right, all the way to insane FOX.

[Hannah Bell]

8. rec. i've never understood why some think nothing less than gas chambers = fascism.

[Octafish]

9. No. You call them as you see them.

Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI.

It's how you keep what's yours, like self-respect.

[socialist_n_TN]

10. Oh yeah, it's just like I (and others) have said............

in a lot of threads, I'd rather talk about comparisons to the Nazis BEFORE they institute the death camps. It might be a little late then. Kick bro.