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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:40 PM
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Why is the US government not calling for free elections?
It really makes us look clueless to say "We support the government in instituting reforms." :P
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:41 PM
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1. Here or in Egypt?
snark
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Capitalocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:41 PM
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3. me snark too
+1
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:42 PM
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4. Good one! nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:48 PM
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11. +1000
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Volaris Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 03:59 AM
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20. if the impact of Citizens United goes full bore (like it surely will)
a snark tag might not be needed....
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:41 PM
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2. calling for free elections when?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:42 PM
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5. threading a very narrow ledge
this was a little of you are on your buddy...

The message has changed in the last 24 hours. They are hedging their bets.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:42 PM
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6. Because free elections are dangerous
and our owners aren't interested in the risk?
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:42 PM
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7. We are supporting China, remember? The days of supporting democracy
are over.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:43 PM
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8. when where those days where the US supported all democracies?
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humblebum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:51 PM
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22. Does it make sense to support China and not Cuba? nt
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:46 PM
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9. Because we support the right of the govt. to make a profit from elections?
Edited on Fri Jan-28-11 06:49 PM by kenny blankenship
Free elections are for pinkos. If you have to ask for "free" elections, then you obviously can't afford it.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:48 PM
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10. Because corporations don't want to have to negotiate with all new people.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:53 PM
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12. It would make them look more than clueless if they called for "fair elections"!
Instant "pot meet kettle" moment!
:P
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 06:59 PM
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13. Very simple answer:
the US government has always found it easier to deal with dictators in parts of the world where "American interests" are usually divergent from the interests of the people who live there. This goes back a very long way; see FDR saying of Somoza "he may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch". The US government doesn't want free elections in Egypt because of the perception that the expression of the popular will would lead to a markedly more Islamist, anti-Israel, and pro-Hamas Egyptian government (among other things). Repressive regimes are A-OK as long as they're repressing the right people and you can do business with them; SOP for American foreign policy since forever. See also: the Shah, Saddam Hussein in the early '80's, Batista in Cuba, Stroessner in Paraguay, Trujillo in the Dominican Republic, the Duvaliers in Haiti, Marcos in the Philippines...it's a very long list.

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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:00 PM
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14. I'm sure we do, in every country where they don't have them
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:38 PM
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15. Elections in Gaza institutionalized Hamas. We view that as a bad outcome.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:09 AM
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17. Repressing the people for decades is what made Hamas powerful in the first place
:shrug:
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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:40 AM
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18. A charitable mission blended with age-old anti-Semiticism made it number one on the hit parade.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:56 PM
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25. True dat. nt
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:57 PM
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26. Hamas was made big because Israel itself supported it...
In its formative days, Hamas was sponsored by Israel because they were betting on Hamas and the PLO fighting it out among themselves. This 'divide and conquer' strategy has really come back to bite Israel in the ass.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:52 PM
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16. because it might be the kiss of death to those elected
The US name brand is has advantages and disadvantages. Clearly in the middle east due to our two land wars, backing to strongly "change" can be the kiss of death to whoever takes power. If the US shows too strongly we support riots, reformers, a new government. Those involved could easily be dismissed as part of an American conspiracy and could easily lose Egyptian public support. Thus we will likely try to remain publicly neutral until someone emerges as a clear winner. Move too soon and we could hurt the very people we want to win.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 01:43 AM
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19. What? And lose our grip on Egypt?
Edited on Sat Jan-29-11 01:52 AM by Catherina
Imagine for a minute the Rafah border open and Gaza free. That's what the US and Israel are looking at if we don't have a dictator in there. We paid Mubarak over 60 BILLION to be nice to Israel and now what will happen?

One of the last straws that broke the people's back in Egypt was supplying Israel with natural gas. They bitterly complained about that during this uprising.

Adam Shatz recent work Mubarak’s Last Breath is a really good read.

Rec'd
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 04:29 AM
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21. Because like all other nations, we place our own interests first
And Mubarak does our bidding.
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DutchLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:55 PM
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23. Because other countries may want to get rid of their US-backed dictators, too!
Like the people in Honduras who are suffering since the Obama-administration decided to back the coup government of Pepe Lobo.

And that may mean US interests get threatened. Can't have that, now can we?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:55 PM
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24. We're full of shit and lost all credibility for one! n/t
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