Cenk is an idiot! He wants Obama to take sides. WTF?

[goforit]

This is not the time to take sides.
Obama did the right thing.
He promoted freedom and peace and human rights.
Cenk is horrible!

He acts like a spoiled rich kid that has never had to work a day in his life.
MSNBC needs to find someone better.

[PBS Poll-435]

1. Lean Forward

nt

[roguevalley]

77. Cenk is an idiot for wanting our country to do the right thing. Promoting

freedom and ... yawn. This man who let torture continue, this man who won't close Guantanamo, this man who let bush and his cabal off ... yes, I can just smell the freedom.

[PBS Poll-435]

91. Simma Down Gnaw

I am irritated with MSNBC entirely.

And I thought there stupid new slogan would be appropriate in this thread.

[barbiegeek]

92. These Revolutions are Complicated. We should shut up about it

[barbiegeek]

93. Read Wiki leaks on Repug blocks at State & local level for prision transfer

out of Gitmo. Every Repug at the state & local level passed legislation for housing Terrorist & NOW they have no where to go!!! Your state probably too.

And it takes a LONG time to build a criminal case against BUSH, YOU need EVIDENCE and searching through tons of email & $$ tracing to do it.

Read Mcclathy Paper--they are building the case.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/ & search the site--It's all there

[EFerrari]

2. Really? How could our government choose between a repressive dictatorship

and a people's revolt?

WTF is the matter with Cenk?

[xchrom]

4. +1

[stranger81]

5. +1000 [n/t]

[fascisthunter]

6. lol... no shit

[amyrose2712]

8. +++

[GodlessBiker]

10. Bravo!

[laconicsax]

11. +1

[treestar]

17. Should we send the troops?

Seriously. And why didn't we before?

Where has everyone been since 1981? Demand Reagan do the same? Bush, Clinton, Bush?

Who was on DU calling for us to save Tunisia or had indeed even heard of it until this week???????????

[EFerrari]

49. You may not have noticed this but democracy is never the result

of our intervention anywhere.

[CreekDog]

50. you're wrong to say that's what the OP was asking for

and we give billions to Egypt each year. we're already involved, we can be involved to make things better or make sure our money isn't used to make things worse.

[scarletwoman]

73. So, for 30 some years, the U.S. government managed not to notice that the Egyptian people

were being oppressed under an autocratic government.

U.S. foreign policy is truly a wonderous thing.

[DrToast]

18. Remember when it was Iran?

Obama got credit for staying out of it.

I realize the situations are different, but it's interesting to see the different views on what the appropriate response is.

[EFerrari]

48. In the case of Iran, we weren't funding, arming or supporting their government.

So our government's position was substantially different. Of course, we screwed Iran out of their democracy, so even so, what our government says about their is largely better un-amplified.

[stevedeshazer]

22. +1

[Canuckistanian]

23. No kidding

It would violate the "Business as Usual" doctrine.

[spanone]

31. if it were only that simple.

[DURHAM D]

34. Over simplify much? nt

[EFerrari]

45. You're right, I left out torturing. n/t

[mmonk]

76. +1

:thumbsup:

;-)

[CherylK]

35. LOL, so true!!!

:evilgrin: :hi:

[EFerrari]

61. I accidently wrote that

in his rhythm. Funny.

lol

[Whisp]

41. will you be signing up for the military then?

you do want to free the people of Egypt, and apparently diplomacy isn't cutting it for you.

so when do you want this new war to start?

[EFerrari]

46. LOL! Because only American military intervention can "free" people?

Really?

[krabigirl]

58. omfg....

[EFerrari]

60. Apparently, no one can be free unless I am personally willing to go

shoot the cr@p out of them.

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

72. Jesus, teh stupid.

[Whisp]

78. if you think diplomacy is not the answer, then what is it?

did you want Obama to use outright threats. who exactly is teh stupid here?

[Forkboy]

82. teh stupid is asking someone if they're signing up for the military.

It was dumb, simplistic reduction worthy of a Right Winger, not you.

[Whisp]

89. if not diplomacy then what?

force, sanctions, threats?

you need boots on the ground for that. and the army is stretched already isn't it, or so I heard.

talk about simplistic thinking. anything obama says is NO GOOD. right? YOU know better how to handle this.

*spits

[WillyT]

42. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!!

:applause::applause::applause:

:hi:

:kick:

[leftstreet]

79. +1

[Le Taz Hot]

90. +1

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[Scruffy1]

12. On the other hand...................

Which side are you on? Sooner or later we all have to decide.Mubarak fires his government and picks a new one. Same old shit different box. Listen to Kerry's doublespeak, too.

[karynnj]

55. There is no doublespeak in Kerry's comments

What do you have a problem with?

- Kerry's call for Mubarak to re-open communication?
- Kerry's call for him to not use force?
- Kerry's call that they have free elections that respect the people?
- Kerry speaking of peaceful protest - using the examples of King and Ghandi - (not to mention his OWN protests in the 1970s were greatly influenced by these men. )

Kerry's last paragraph suggests that this leads to a fair election.

What exactly do you want Obama. Clinton, Kerry etc to do?

[treestar]

20. No, not true

Anyone who jumps on the President as solely at fault for every single thing gets chided for being unreasonable.

One does not need to be a cheerleader to defend President Obama. The attacks on him are so ridiculous, be they from left or right.

[politicasista]

65. +1 n/t

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[fascisthunter]

7. I know... supporting the people... the NERVE!!!!

duh

[immoderate]

9. Indicates that Cenk is now an accepted influence at DU.

Nobody skewers our pundits as well as we do.

--imm

[valerief]

13. I LOVE CENK, TOO!!!

:loveya:

[jaxx]

14. Cenk comes across as a radical without a clue to foreign policy.

He was put in his place by the guests, 3 of them, who said the President was right. This is why radicals have no place on the public media...they skewer the reality. Does Cenk really think calling the President "Obama" gets him anywhere. It is a total lack of respect and MSNBC needs to send him home.

K&R your statement. All you'll get is that you're wrong from the rest, but you're not wrong.

[Uzybone]

15. but its the loudest fools who get all the attention

that is why cable "news" is packed full of blowhards. Apart from Rachel and O'Donnell everyone on there across the spectrum is a shouter.

[jaxx]

25. The difference is that Rachel and LOD listen.

The others just spout.

[Fumesucker]

16. And yet we are inundated in the media by radicals on the *right*..

But I'm sure you're OK with that, it's those nasty radical leftists who need to be kept away from microphones..

[jaxx]

26. One should stop and think before making personal comments

about what another thinks.

[Fumesucker]

43. And yet you did not disagree with me..

That we are inundated by radicals on the right in the media..

If all we ever see are rightist radicals and centrists on the M$M then a great many people are going to assume that the acceptable choices run from centrism to radical rightism..

Split the difference as the M$M is wont to do and you end up with our civil discourse being bent quite far to the right.

[fascisthunter]

94. We see your filter

nothing new on this thread regarding filters

[GodlessBiker]

24. Fuck that. Everyone filters reality. It's just a matter of which filter you prefer.

To say that certain filters should not be allowed in public media sounds like something Mubarak himself would say.

[jaxx]

27. Cenk doesn't have the credentials to be taken seriously.

You can tell Mubarak I said so.

[girl gone mad]

84. There's nothing radical about Cenk's comments.

He's making valid points.

You might disagree with him, which is fair, but to call him a "radical without a clue" and say "MSNBC needs to send him home" is reactionary rhetoric tinged with hatred, not reasoned dialogue.

[PassingFair]

95. "...they skewer the reality"

:rofl: REALLY, they skewer WHOSE reality?

The MEDIA'S agreed upon reality?

The ADMINISTRATION'S agreed upon reality?

Reality has differing points of view, they
ALL reflect SOMEONE'S "reality".

Are you saying that we should not be offered
different opinions or points of view, especially
in the matters of FOREIGN affairs?

Sounds like you're one of THESE guys:

"The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."<2>


Cenk is right, as usual.

[flamingdem]

19. Cenk is SUBPAR! His use of language and attempt to be polemical is nasty

They need someone with BRAINS and personality to take over his slot.

[martymar64]

44. Perhaps Alan Colmes is more your speed

He wouldn't say shit even if he had a mouthful of it. Is that more your speed? Something that spent time as Hannity's punching bag?

Any other self-hating liberals you would prefer?

[neverforget]

47. Just one that never questions the Presidents decisions

I'm sure

[EFerrari]

56. Cenk is one of the best new analysts on the air.

Maybe that's the problem. :)

[Canuckistanian]

21. What is Obama supposed to do?

There's no provisional government. No representatives for the uprising. Not even any popular leaders who are taking charge or could take charge.

Who is Obama suppposed to take sides WITH?

Does Cenk expect Obama to pick up a sign and go protest in Cairo?

[EFerrari]

51. Why do you think there is no one our government can speak to?

That's simply untrue and largely an effect of the (non) coverage in the American media.

Elbaradei is there with a good deal of support and there is a legislature and there are military leaders the Obama government could speak to in good faith.

The president is by no means "stuck" with supporting this brutal bastard. Hello?

[The Straight Story]

28. Are you taking a side? (nt)

[goforit]

33. I criticize Obama 24/7. But you don't start a war of words

to influence sides during conflict.
That is insane.
Better yet that would be what Palin/Beck would do.
We are already at war in Iraq and Afghanastan.

[The Straight Story]

36. point is, some folks stand for something and are not afraid to say it - we expect the same

from the people we elected.

Trying to please everyone generally leads to everyone being unhappy anyway.

Would that more would have take sharp stands before WW2 instead of playing politics.

[inna]

75. 24/7, huh?

pathetic.

[Major Hogwash]

29. I think he did already.

I may be wrong, but I think he's rooting for the guy with the tanks.

[phleshdef]

32. Yea Cenk, lets take sides and inject ourselves into another middle eastern problem. How progressive.

[Arkana]

39. Exactly. We get slapped around when we go there.

Yet even more reason to a) get the hell out of Afghanistan (yes, I know it's not technically the Middle East, bear with me) and Iraq, and b) reduce dependence on foreign oil.

Stay out of it. This is Egypt's fight. The North was pissed as hell when they learned that the British were aiding the South during the Civil War--how is this any different?

[EFerrari]

53. Are you effing kidding me? Those people were gassed with our weapons.

We're already in it up to our eyebrows.

Take sides, my @ss. We've "taken sides" for the last thirty years to the detriment of the Egyptian people.

[Arkana]

37. He can't take sides.

Egypt needs to work this out by themselves--although I don't like the fact that those tear gas canisters have "MADE IN USA" on them.

[EFerrari]

57. The US government props up one side. There is no honest position

of neutrality unless Obama asks for a refund and for Mubarak to ship him back all the weapons.

[inna]

64. paid by american taxpayers - all 1.3 billion/a year of it

[hulka38]

81. Realize that our govt has taken sides.

You're arguing, I hope, that they shouldn't take sides publicly. I'd disagree with you on that opinion but at least we'd be correct on the facts.

[rury]

38. Cenk is an anti-Obama idiot who wants

the president to fail as much as Rush Limbaugh does.
I have put Cenk on ignore.

[goforit]

40. Well, Your right. I'll just switch the channel.

Thanks for your sanity

[krabigirl]

59. lol at "anti-Obama"

Reminds me of the Republicans under Bush.

[inna]

52. Ugh. unrec

[theaocp]

54. "He acts like a spoiled rich kid that has never had to work a day in his life."

Sorry you feel that way. You obviously don't know anything about Cenk and I hope you do some research into his actual background. Cenk stands for strength and always finding a good balance. Check into older clips of TYT on youtube and perhaps you'll see. Or tell him to shut his mouth. I'm going to root for him. He's fucking awe-inspiring. Cheers.

[Taverner]

62. I love Cenk, and disagree with you

I can understand his frustration, but he could have put it a better way

[bluestate10]

63. Do you love stepping on hornet's nests?

Criticizing Cenk on DU. I would not call Cenk an idiot, but he does spin off a decidedly anti-Obama air. I find some of Cenk's charges ill advised and clearly wrong. I am willing to wait, maybe Cenk will find his stride. But if he does not, there are plenty of others ready to take his place.

[inna]

66. .

:puke:

[bluestate10]

69. Happy hour was tough tonight, huh? nt

[inna]

70. no, it was a 'diplomatic' response to your comment

ETA: this thread wasn't that bad, actually.

nm, and peace. (even if unilateral.)

[bluestate10]

74. Rage at MSNBC is so consuming. There must be more to life. nt.

[Pisces]

67. Cenk is a blowhard pundit, not the President. He has no idea how

to handle a hot potato political situation. He needs to take it down a notch. I for one am not watching his show.

[JoePhilly]

68. Cenk is at a 10, he needs to be at a 2 ... he knows what that means.

[girl gone mad]

85. The administration has done a pretty poor job handling this political situation.

Comments from Biden and Clinton have not been well received. The President has been woefully behind the curve throughout.

Siding with the banks and financial elites at the start of the economic crisis, transferring their private debts onto our public balance sheet and enabling them to continue commodities speculation, has directly fueled this massive uprising. Once again, many people saw it coming and warned the administration against going down this path.

[EFerrari]

86. Cenk is right on because he doesn't collude with the happy talk.

We need ten more just like him.

[ChiciB1]

96. +1000... It's As If Some People Think That OUR Problems Can Be Solved

by MORE APATHY! I don't suggest blood shed, but I certainly think it's time we SHOUT OUT our disagreement loud and clear!

The RIGHT WING certainly doesn't hold back and THEY seem to be flourishing. Where's our OUTRAGE??

[sabrina 1]

71. Seriously, what a choice to have to make!!

Brutal Dictator V The People!

Right, it must be Cenk who is the idiot! :eyes:

Wait, I promised myself I would not sink to posting knee-jerk reactions to comments without making sure I understand them correctly.

So, did you forget the :sarcasm: tag?

[kentuck]

80. Usually the safe side is on the side of the people...

It is not written in stone that he has to be for the present regime, just because every President since Ronald Reagan has propped him up.

[bluedigger]

83. I guess Cenk wanted Obama to go for it...

Or would that be intemperate?

[Better Believe It]

87. You're joking .... right?

[Better Believe It]

88. If President Obama can't support progressives at home how can he support them in Egypt?