Police: Mom Kills 'Mouthy' Teens

[marmar]

TAMPA, Fla. - The wife of a military officer serving overseas told detectives she fatally shot her teenage son and daughter inside their upscale home because they were being "mouthy," police said Friday.

Police said Julie Powers Schenecker admitted the slayings after officers found her covered in blood on the back porch of her home Friday morning, police spokeswoman Laura McElroy said. Schenecker's mother had called police from Texas because she was unable to reach the 50-year-old woman, whom she said was depressed and had been complaining about her children.

Schenecker's husband, Parker Schenecker, is an Army colonel serving in Qatar and was notified of his children's deaths later Friday, McElroy said. He was assigned to U.S. Central Command, headquartered at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa. ............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/01/28/20110128florida-mom-kills-two-teen-sons.html

[eleny]

1. Nobody saw it coming and everyone is shocked

[malaise]

10. Real sad

These fucking wars have consequences. Being the only parent present is no easy task with kids of any age let alone teenagers. She snapped - poor kids never had a chance.

[baldguy]

18. Just like every other time it happens.

[patrice]

30. +++++++++1

[Jamastiene]

2. Sad.

Poor kids never stood a chance. :(

[Mojeoux]

16. So SAD!

They used to have spots on TV that said, "please don't beat your kids."
We need those.

[somone]

3. Pic:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41319561/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

[csziggy]

4. That poor woman - I wish she had gotten her depression treated

Instead of destroying her family.

[ClassWarrior]

17. "That poor woman??!" She murdered her own children IN COLD BLOOD because they were...

..."mouthy."

Gee, I wonder how someone who could KILL HER OWN FUCKING FLESH AND BLOOD could have raised snotty children.

:eyes:

Sounds like a fucked up family to me.

NGU.

[csziggy]

22. No normal person could do that - she has to be sick

If it was because of severe untreated depression, I wish someone had realized it so her children could be alive now. Either her depression could have been treated and she would be sane or her severe problems would have been recognized and the children removed from her control.

Yes, the situation is fucked up, but she needed help before she got this bad.

Here is the other side I think about in these horrible cases: if it is a case of temporary insanity that can be treated, how could she possibly live with what she has done once she is brought back to a normal state of mind.

No matter what, I still think, "that poor woman" and wish for better mental health care in this country to help prevent cases like this. I can hate what she has done and still feel pity for her.

[ClassWarrior]

24. Sounds like there's nothing "temporary" about it. Sounds like that family's an armed-to-the-teeth...

...snake pit, and has been for a long time.

NGU.

[csziggy]

25. Military family in the South - yeah, armed to the teeth

Pretty normal and an even better argument for making sure all the family members are sane.

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[ScreamingMeemie]

58. FWIW, the mother purchased the gun 5 days before the events.

[joeunderdog]

56. Those poor KIDS...

Everyone who murders a family member could probably have benefited from counseling or medication. But lack of treatment doesn't give you any right to KILL someone. Are you kidding me?

I've worked in MH for 25 years and the day we empathize with murderers and not the victims is the day all hell breaks loose.

[roguevalley]

28. you know, there is more under the surface than above. Being

pissed at her is futile. This is a tragedy for all of them.

[ClassWarrior]

29. It's a tragedy for the nation. And another blood stain on the hands of the NRA and its enablers.

NGU.

[roguevalley]

36. agreed

[patrice]

32. "out of the clear blue" is extremely unusual. Why didn't the father know there was trouble in his

home? Husbands and wives are supposed to be responsible for one another.

Teenage children = long-standing relationships.

Something messed up here.

[ClassWarrior]

33. It sounds like it's been a cold, distant, dysfunctional family for a long time.

NGU.

[devilgrrl]

41. ...

...

[cali]

20. I have no compassion for a woman who walks up behind her child

and shoots her in the head. fuck her and send her to prison.

[LisaL]

31. Oh give me a break.

If the man was accused of doing this, would you be posting "that poor man?"

[Codeine]

43. Ohhh, SNAP!

Well said! Not every woman who kills is a tragic and helpless victim.

[WinkyDink]

34. Let's consider the actual dead before we diagnose the living.

[bluestate10]

5. Sad. There had to be signs leading up to this tragedy. nt.

[WillyT]

6. Whoa...

Wallace, Daniel / AP - Tampa, Fla., police escort Julie Powers Schenecker
to Orient Road Jail on Friday. Police said Schenecker admitted slaying her two
teen children for being "mouthy."

Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41319561/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

:evilfrown:

[seabeyond]

9. what a picture, all the way around. the two cops, especially the one on the right. nt

[peekaloo]

39. did you see the video?

i don't know the proper term but she's in some kind of psychotic state/breakdown...shaking, trembling....it's disturbing to watch.

those poor children.

[seabeyond]

42. i didnt. but the two picture i saw, she appeared to be. all over face and body

what got me is how you could see it all over the cop on the right.....

i just feel so...

people that say, well, just cause she is woman we feel for her. well, there have been instances of fathers doing the same, and i have always been one of the few that felt for them too.

[Gin]

46. what video? couldn't find one

[ScreamingMeemie]

47. Here you go...I will warn you, for me it was difficult to watch, and this

whole thing is going to haunt me for a long time.

http://www.newsleader.com/section/VideoNetwork?bctid=768050577001#/Julie+Schenecker+perp+walk/768050577001

[seabeyond]

49. that is why i didnt want to see it. i can imagine.... the story is already enough. nt

[Gin]

51. thanks....and it was awful....that is the face of woman who has had

a breakdown.(IMO)..the police actually seemed gentle with her..

sad and tragic for all involved...peace to all of them

[blueamy66]

66. Holy crap.

She is definitely mentally ill.

What a freaking tragedy.

:(

[peekaloo]

65. .

http://www2.tbo.com/video/2011/jan/28/mother-charged-with-killing-her-two-teen-99489/video-news/


edit: sorry I see it's been posted.....not quite awake yet :dunce:

[lonestarnot]

40. Damn.

[struggle4progress]

7. Back when I was a teen, I noticed most adults were insane. Nothing has much changed my mind since.

Mouthing off, at the lunatics around you, can be very stress-reducing

[inna]

8. comcast - sorry, auto unrec

[Kalyke]

11. +10000

[marmar]

12. Good grief.......

I found a different link......Better?

[inna]

13. WAY better! thank you!

:kick: and virtual rec

[Solly Mack]

14. Oman

[angstlessk]

15. "..Parker Schenecker had picked up his wife's carpooling shift while she recovered from a serious...

car crash that happened about a month ago"...could that have done brain damage undetected? Why go from 'proud mom'..to angry mom...with a serious accident in between?

[patrice]

26. A LOT of people do lie about how it's goin' with the kids. There's sooooooooo much pressure to

be "Happy" & "Good parents".

[woo me with science]

37. That's interesting and certainly possible.

Executive lack of self control is a common result of brain injury. I wonder how serious the accident was.

[madinmaryland]

50. That piqued my interest also. My friend who ended up killing himself was in

a single car accident about five years before his death and became a very different and angry person. May well have been what happened. Sad, very sad.

[chollybocker]

19. Good grief.

*shot*

[ClassWarrior]

21. Too bad the kids weren't armed. They could have had glorious shootout in their own living room.

:sarcasm:

NGU.

[patrice]

23. Oh!! . . . just . . . . . just . . .

Such a hard thing.

The pain! on her face . . .

She looks like someone I know.

Those poor poor sad children . . . to die like that!!

Oh, God??????

[Initech]

35. WTF.

[fascisthunter]

38. guns being used as a solution... too often

[LAGC]

53. Would have it been better if she had stabbed them to death? (n/t)

[mainer]

55. They could have gotten away if she had a knife

A lot harder to kill a kid with a knife when that kid is running or fighting back.

[LAGC]

62. Maybe.

It doesn't take much skill or effort to quickly slash someone's throat.

[flvegan]

44. The video the local news showed of her being taken from the house

either showed a woman who could seriously fake the look of serious mental illness or a woman in desperate need of help.

Those poor children. My heart goes out to the husband and family left behind.

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. This whole story is just heartbreaking.

I don't think she could fake that shaking in the video. :(

[blueamy66]

48. Shit....we just got a smack on the face

or our hair or ear pulled...which probably would be child abuse in this day. My Mom kicked me outta the car a mile from home for spouting off at her. Many would call that child abuse too.

Anyway, some people shouldn't be allowed to procreate.

Kids ain't all that anyway. And that is why I don't have any.

[cali]

52. my kid is all that to me

always was. always will be.

[blueamy66]

61. again...that is why I don't have kids

buy my nieces and nephews and greats are spoiled rotten...not cause the are ABSOULTELY beautiful....just cause I love em to death!

[mainer]

54. without a gun in the house, it would've just been a smack

It's having that convenient killing tool that turned it into murder.

[ScreamingMeemie]

57. FWIW, the mother purchased the gun 5 days before the events.

:(

[LAGC]

64. I beg to differ.

Anyone who decides to murder will find a way, regardless of the weapon.

If it wasn't a gun, it could have just as easily been arson. Kill them when they are least expecting it, just like she did with her daughter, premeditated, not spur of the moment.

[eShirl]

59. "I brought you into this world, and I can take you out" wasn't supposed to be meant seriously

[revolution breeze]

60. Husband was deployed

It is so hard when your spouse is deployed and you have to maintain normalcy, while fearing every day you could become a widow/widower. I am not excusing her behavior in the least, I just think this backs up my beleif that military families don't get enough support while their loved ones put their lives on the line. It is only when a loved one comes home in a coffin that we pay any attention to military spouses. How very, very sad and imagine what this news is going to do to that poor soldier who is probably nearing retirement and was preparing for life at home with his family (buying the house).

[joeunderdog]

63. If a father killed his kids in cold blood while his wife was away...

would this thread have such an outpouring of empathy?

A lot of people in jail have all the right reasons for doing horrible things to people. The childhood trauma, the poverty, clinical depression, broken families, you name it.

But to kill 2 defenseless kids? My heart goes out to them first, not her. The mother should be indicted, not the MH system.

[Codeine]

68. I can't imagine all the sympathetic comments coming

about depression or availability of mental health care if a dude has blown his kid's heads off, no. DU is a predictable beast.

[dddem]

67. Another factor to consider,

Certainly no excuse or justification, but from the MSNBC link...

"The family's home is on a cul-de-sac in a gated country club community in north Tampa. Hillsborough County property records show that the Scheneckers bought the house in 2008 for $448,000. It now has a market value of $261,000. "

Stress can do terrible things to a person. My heart breaks for this Father and those poor children, but as a mother, I also cry for this woman. Some day, if she recovers from this breakdown, she will realize what she's done and have to live with it the rest of her life.