HELL YEAH - Fear of Government Completely Shattered!!!

[kpete]

Fear of Government Completely Shattered for Egyptians As Protests Continue

Egyptian Activists' Action Plan: Translated

Jan 27 2011, 7:40 PM ET By Alexis Madrigal 249
Egyptian activists have been circulating a kind of primer to Friday's planned protest. We were sent the plan by two separate sources and have decided to publish excerpts here, with translations into English. Over Twitter, we connected with a translator, who translated the document with exceptional speed.




5:07 PM ET - An activists' action plan has been circulating. News organization like The Guardian have put together summaries for the pamphlet. The pamphlet:

Protesters in Cairo are advised to gather in large numbers in their own neighbourhoods away from police and troops and then move towards key installations such the state broadcasting HQ on the Nile-side Corniche and try to take control "in the name of the people". Other priority targets are the presidential palace and police stations in several parts of central Cairo.

The leaflet includes aerial photographs with approach routes marked and diagrams on crowd formations. Suggested "positive" slogans include "long live Egypt" and "down with the corrupt regime". There are no signs of slogans reflecting the agenda of the powerful Muslim Brotherhood. It advises demonstrators to wear clothing such as hooded jackets, running shoes, goggles and scarves to protect against teargas, and to carry dustbin lids -" to ward off baton blows and rubber bullets -" first aid kits, and roses to symbolise their peaceful intentions.

Diagrams show how to defend against riot police and push in waves to break through their ranks. "The most important thing is to protect each other," the leaflet says.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2011/01/egyptian-activists-action-plan-translated/70388/

[villager]

1. Do we have a January version of "remember, remember the fifth of November?"

n/t

[jannyk]

5. That didn't end well! eom

[villager]

13. Well originally, no. It's what we make of the memory.

As your avatar essentially states...

[NuclearDem]

33. Guy Fawkes attempted to assassinate James I to restore a Catholic monarch to the throne

This horrible misrepresentation and distortion of this 'noble legacy' through V for Vendetta left out the fact that Fawkes wasn't acting in the name of any liberty or freedom, but attempted regicide in the name of religion.

As long as we're on the topic, the movie version completely bastardized the original graphic novel, where V was portrayed as a ruthless anarchist who didn't care about innocent lives lost so long as he brought the fascists down.

[Sonoman]

2. That's what we should have done here in '03.

There are not too many ways (short of nuclear attack) that 1MM people could have been stopped from taking every facility in D.C.

Sonoman

[SDuderstadt]

17. WTF?

You do realize that's insurrection, right?

How is that different from the stated aims of some teabag or other RW groups? You DO realize that the Constitution grants the power to suppress insurrections to congress, right? Upon what grounds should every facility in D.C. have been "taken"? Doesn't that sound an awful lot like Sharon Angle's "2nd amendment remedies" or Joyce Kaufman's "if ballots don't work, bullets will"?

Ugh.

[socialist_n_TN]

28. Nope. That's civil disobedience............

IF they would have taken them over with arms, THAT would be insurrection. There IS a difference.

So how about peacefully disrupting the State News Agency, AKA Fox "News"? Would it be OK to disrupt the corporate HQ of Fox and maybe the affiliates too in the name of people power? How about some leftie truck drivers disrupting traffic flow in and around D.C.? There are LOTS of things that people can do to disrupt and get the message out, WITHOUT resorting to "2nd Amendment remedies" and "insurrection".

Yep, you can and probably WILL get arrested for doing things like this, but MLK was arrested a LOT. As was Gandhi and every other peace loving freedom fighter in history.

[SDuderstadt]

30. Do you honestly believe...

"every facility in D.C." could have been "taken" in '03 without resorting to violence?

Armchair revolutionaries crack me up.

[socialist_n_TN]

36. I guess it depends on what you consider violence.........

A group of people who enters and uses a sit in to disrupt the functioning? Is that violence? Chaining a group to an entrance? Is that violence? Disrupting traffic in and around D.C.? Is that violence? My point is there's a LOT that can be done short of "second amendment remedies". I would suggest trying those first. Thanks for the snark BTW. People who give up without even trying, lecturing people who ARE trying crack me up. Well, not so much. Being afraid and doing nothing never accomplished anything.

Actually, I figure in '03 the violence would have come from the Bush administration.

[SDuderstadt]

37. "being afraid and doing nothing never accomplished anything"

Who says I am afraid, dude? You know nothing of me.

Amrmchair revolutionaries are such a hoot.

[socialist_n_TN]

38. Right back atcha. I'm laughing right now.......

BTW, why did you think I was talking about you? I was just making a general comment? :)

I'm done. We'll have to agree to disagree. I think civil disobedience is a legitimate tactic. Obviously, you don't.

[SDuderstadt]

39. Mr. Strawman...

read my posts carefully. Where did I ever say civil disobedience wasn't okay?

[tavalon]

31. I wonder if our government would consider the convening of a Constitutional Convention

To be subversion?

[NuclearDem]

34. ...and yet another reason I'm getting too afraid to visit DU anymore...

No, just...no.

Because I know the second one of these angry mobs you try to organize starts getting shot at by a security guard who panics after seeing hundreds of really angry people descend on the building he's guarding, it's going to turn into a full-blown riot.

Then what facilities do you take over? The Supreme Court building? The WH? The Capitol building? You're going to let a bunch of rioters storm these buildings where lots of innocent people work, where priceless, irreplaceable memorials to our national history are held?

This isn't a movie, this isn't a game.

[PoliticAverse]

3. "When governments fear the people, there is liberty.

When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson

http://wiki.monticello.org/mediawiki/index.php/When_governments_fear_the_people,_there_is_liberty...%28Quotation%29

[loudsue]

6. I wanna recommend that post.

Great quote. And today it's true in America that the people fear the government. It has been that way since Reagan fired the air traffic controllers.

[Lorien]

8. +1. nt

[RegieRocker]

18. It's been that way since Shay's Rebellion!

[PoliticAverse]

11. John Basil Barnhill not Jefferson

Further research indicates that this quote should probably be attributed to John Basil Barnhill not Jefferson as:
"Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty"

Barnhill, John Basil. Barnhill-Tichenor Debate on Socialism, As It Appeared in the National Rip-Saw. Saint Louis: The National Rip-Saw Pub. Co., c1914. 63 pp. Pamphlet B262 .B3 1914 http://debs.indstate.edu/b262b3_1914.pdf

[ChazII]

20. Thanks for sharing this quote

with us. It is a good reminder of Jefferson's wisdom.

[tavalon]

32. Please post that as an OP

[decidedlyso]

42. Good post by you and TJ.

[FirstLight]

4. Wow

that's cool, actually....

[somone]

7. Recommended

[socialist_n_TN]

9. Somebody probably needs to get the English............

version in a more easily readable format and save it for future reference.

I ESPECIALLY liked to one about taking over the State news services. Fox HQ anyone? Plus the local affiliates. I also liked the trash can lids used as shields and what were the spray cans? I couldn't read the damn print. Too small for my old eyes.

[JoeyT]

14. The cans are spraypaint.

The text tells them to spray the windshields of the armored trucks and face shields of the riot police. The latter is what the block and spray diagram is.

[patrick t. cakes]

10. Solidarity with Egypt!!!

I love the rose! People will always triumph in the end!

Damn right, power to the people of Egypt!!!!

:grr: :nuke: :pals: :grouphug: :kick:

[MrMickeysMom]

12. An oppressed Egypt is an oppressed world...

... This American hears and supports you.

We should heed what is going on, what it portends...

[Fumesucker]

15. K&R, thanks for posting..

[chervilant]

16. We could,

AND SHOULD, do this here in the US, where the Corporate Megalomaniacs have usurped our economy, our government, and our media.

[robdogbucky]

19. I saw right wing talking heads here saying those pamphlets

are evidence the insurrection in Egypt is a coordinated terrorist event sponsored by terrorist elements intent on a fundamentalist takeover.


Ha! Reap what you sew, but I'm afraid that little lie isn't so.



In solidarity with the people of Egypt.

[Oilwellian]

21. A coordinated terrorist event?

Hahaha...do they realize it was the Bush regime who helped stoke the activists?

Egypt protests: secret US document discloses support for protesters

[robdogbucky]

23. Those desperate talking heads are hilarious at this point

Like when Biden assured us all the other day that Mubarek is not a dictator.


My,Oh, My.


Clueless and desperate

[backscatter712]

22. We need to start publishing flyers like this in the U.S.

Distribute some tactics for fighting against riot cops in the U.S., and WINNING!

[socialist_n_TN]

27. I agree. We ALL need to have a copy of this...........

It never hurts to be prepared.

[russspeakeasy]

24. Thanks for the great post...

[drm604]

25. Should this have been published?

Right at the top of the pamphlet is says:

Please distribute through email, printing, and photocopies ONLY!
Twitter and Facebook are being monitored. Be careful not to let this fall into the hands of the police or state security.

[jwirr]

26. My guess is that this happens about the time that the majority have

nothing left to lose. It is even more significant when you realize that the people of that nation clearly understood just how dangerous their government was. They had been abused for decades now they just would not take it anymore.

Put that way I do not think our nation is anywhere near that point. If we do anything it will be non-violent marches like during the civil rights movement and we are even having trouble getting those together. Boycotts do not seem to work either in this country because we cannot get enough people doing it. I suspect we have only political activism left and that only when they do not fix the machines.

We need to be working locally to rebuild our parties strength on all levels or we get a pres. with only the veto and possibly one house - bottom up is the only way here in the USA.

[Oak2004]

35. Boycotts don't work because every corporation seems to own every other corporation

and if you want to boycott one, you end up having to boycott the better part of everything.

How many people really control America? I'm guessing you could fit all of them in a modest size room.

I guarantee you, a few weeks ago Egyptian activists were saying "the people of Egypt are sheep. They'll never rise up". Kinda like eastern bloc dissidents were saying a few weeks before the Berlin Wall fell. Or Lenin was writing of the Russian people a year or two before February, 1917 (unfortunately he then went on to foment what amounted to a coup against the revolutionary government, at the behest of the Germans, later that year). And like the Adamses were bemoaning of the colonists in their letters just before the American Revolution.

People always look like "sheeple", until they're not anymore. If and when the day comes that the American people awaken (and unless our leadership wakes up, someday the people will), the one thing I can confidently predict is that the night before, someone will be writing about how the American people were too pathetic to ever do such a thing.

[Rex]

29. 'Hold your ground Egyptian!'

:thumbsup:

[sam sarrha]

40. wait an see.. i bet the rights they demand will be to live under a more Draconian form

of Sharia Law... so they can be closer to god. wont be the the first time.. the terms they use are often not directly translated to mean the same as we would use them.. in more situations than this one.

i have read 22 books on Islam.. i really didnt get a good over view till about the 5th or 6th...

i would suggest that one should educate oneself rather than depend on what the media/gov/religious people say is politically correct.. and just what the hell does politically correct mean.. and whos politics are correct and why.. who is their source of 'correct' information.??

step one.. Islam was revieled by god's prophet.. step 2.. Islam is what Muhammad said.

so to find out what Islam is you have to find out what he said.. what he said is in 4 books, Koran, Hiddah, Sunnah and Sira. but if you are a non believer Allah will blind you to to his true meaning and goals of his words.

[NuclearDem]

41. Winning The Future are you talking about?