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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:23 AM
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We need to take back the Founding Fathers.
I am sick of the Teabaggers claiming the Founders as their own when in reality the Founders would have hated them and everything they stand for, but don't take my word for it. Here is some quotes for you all to think about. The first few are about the Teabaggers stupid belief that the Founders were Christian nutjobs like them. This is a long post, but I'd love to hear everyone's thoughts.

"All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit." -Thomas Paine((You'll be hearing a lot from him since he is my favorite of the Founders)

"Of all the tyrannies that affect mankind, tyranny in religion is the worst."-Thomas Paine.


"Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear." -Thomas Jefferson.

Now lets move onto the matter of wealth, taxes, and corporations.

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."-Thomas Jefferson.

"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains." Thomas Jefferson.

Create a national fund, out of which there shall be paid to every person, when arrived at the age of twenty-one years, the sum of fifteen pounds sterling as a compensation in part for the loss of his or her natural inheritance by the introduction of the system of landed property. And also, the sum of ten pounds per annum for life, to every person now living, of the age of fifty years, and to all others as they shall arrive at that age."-Thomas Paine.

This is the last one I promise, but it is a long one so bear with me.

"Separate an individual from society, and give him an island or a continent to possess, and he cannot acquire personal property. He cannot be rich. So inseparably are the means connected with the end, in all cases, that where the former do not exist the latter cannot be obtained. All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came.

This is putting the matter on a general principle, and perhaps it is best to do so; for if we examine the case minutely it will be found that the accumulation of personal property is, in many instances, the effect of paying too little for the labor that produced it; the consequence of which is that the working hand perishes in old age, and the employer abounds in affluence.

It is, perhaps, impossible to proportion exactly the price of labor to the profits it produces; and it will also be said, as an apology for the injustice, that were a workman to receive an increase of wages daily he would not save it against old age, nor be much better for it in the interim. Make, then, society the treasurer to guard it for him in a common fund; for it is no reason that, because he might not make a good use of it for himself, another should take it." Thomas Paine.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:47 AM
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1. Tom Paine would beat the shit out of the 'Baggers.
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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:54 AM
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2. Oh and who thinks I should post this on Free Republic
to see if I can make any lose their tiny minds?
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GReedDiamond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:06 AM
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3. Here's one, a bit obscure maybe...
...not a "founding father" per se, although he was a friend of Jefferson and Madison, and a Baptist preacher:

"Never promote men who seek after state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny - the worst of despotism...
...Guard against those men who make a great noise about religion, in choosing representatives." -John Leland, July 1802

John Leland Wikipedia entry.

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1776Forever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:27 AM
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4. Yes I couldn't agree more. They weren't perfect but their vision was astounding. It took years to
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 02:29 AM by 1776Forever
come true but all men are considered (or should be) equal now and that in itself is a tremendous accomplishment.

This statement refers to the "Enlightenment" period they lived in:

"The statement "We hold these truths to be self evident...." implies that man is able to grasp truths, and beyond this, that all men are equally rational and thus equally able to (pursue) live their lives, pursue their happinesses, and live freely. The heart that beats in the body of democracy is reason, for only beings who are inherently free and rational are able to live in a democracy...or rather, democracy is a system of governemtn which was created to correspond to human nature, which is inherently free and rational. Freedom without rationality gives us terror, anarchy and fear. Reason without freedom leads, as our founding father's demonstrated, to rebellion and revolution. But democracy is the raimement of a free and rational people. This is the primary influence which the Enlightenment had on our founding fathers."

First answer by ID3323968902. Last edit by Dbeasley12.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_did_the_Enlightenment_influence_the_founding_fathers#ixzz1CV9Tsm1g

..........

Thanks for the post!

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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:50 AM
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5. Totally agree. n/t
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 04:51 AM
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6. K&R- the FF's would not recognise themselves in the cartoon characters
that the right has twisted them into...but the right has never been very comfortable with "facts" and "reality"...

mark
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