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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:51 PM
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Julian Assange: 'How do you attack an organisation? You attack its leadership'
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 01:54 PM by supernova
Source: guardian.co.uk|The Observer

As his court case looms, Julian Assange is facing a rising tide of hostility. In this exclusive interview he insists: 'We have not once, in four years of publishing, got it wrong'



....

The American diplomats writing the cables leaked to Assange report many of the reasons for the Egyptian uprising: torture of political dissidents, even common criminals, to obtain confessions; widespread repression and fear; and – of special interest to anyone who follows WikiLeaks – the increasingly important role of internet activism, opposition blogging and communication with democratic movements within and without the country over the web.

As ever with the diplomatic memorandums published by WikiLeaks – an act of dissemination for which Assange has become public enemy number one in the US – the cables are, ironically, testimony to the professionalism and straight- talking of the US State Department. Assange concedes that the cables contain "a relative honesty and directness, and quite a lot of wannabe Hemingway".

This is exactly what WikiLeaks considers itself established to do, exactly the kind of moment in history that Assange's organisation feels it can illuminate for the world – and to which it may even have contributed, he claims, "by creating an attitude towards freedom of expression", and by being read by Egyptians themselves. This should be one of the great days in the history of his organisation: Assange and a group of his colleagues huddled over a thicket of laptop computers, downloading, following events, sharing news and occasionally whooping at it. It is one hell of an hour in WikiLand, but a weird one, too, for other things are also on Assange's mind.


Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jan/30/julian-assange-interview



Really like the article because it sheds light on why Julian Assange does what he does.

edit: code
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 01:52 PM
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1. recommend
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FirstLight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:05 PM
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2. remember when Obama said we were going to see more transparency?
well, it may not have come from him ...but it sure has happened!
I am grateful for the work this man is doing, he is a revolutionary in his own right.

I guess I am a revolutionary too, since i am absolutely thrilled that opressed peoples are 'getting it' all over and coming forward to instigate change...it's not about a leader, it is about the people not taking it anymore.

and, i sincerely hope to see some movement happening here, regarding the corporatocracy and the ending of the war machine...i would show up for that, truly...
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:49 PM
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17. First Light
Me too. I believe it will happen here too.
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 08:17 PM
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24. Maybe Assange is working for Obama. A 3 dimesional chess move to achieve transparency
without angering the Illuminati.

Could happen. Ya never know.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:47 AM
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40. +1 Same for the hope and chance. n/t
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:08 PM
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3. Maybe he should'nt stuck his face in every camera calling Wikileaks "my team" then ? nt
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:19 PM
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7. why would you care?
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:34 PM
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9. I've lost a lot of respect for him, Wikileaks should be a faceless organization
Because of his apparent urge to play secret agent/man of mystery on TV, he has provided the powers that be with a face that they can smear.

Wikileaks should be as invisible as "Anonymous", and be nothing more than a website. There's a reason why people have been leaving Wikileaks to set up a new organization.


That's why i care.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:38 PM
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12. I see your point but don't agree because there is value in people seeing
how TPTB have tried to silence him.
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:44 PM
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14. Yes, but they would'nt have done that if he had kept his face out of the media
Edited on Sun Jan-30-11 02:45 PM by Lars77
That's exactly my point. Leaks are still coming by the day, when is the last time you actually heard anything big from that? In stead, all the stupid media does is to fly choppers over the chateau he lives in and trying to get interviews.

Every time someone mentions Wikileaks now, people start talking about those bullshit sex charges.

It's become about him, not about the leaks. My proof of that is that we are having this conversation.



In other words, the powers that be has succesfully moved focus away from what matters - and on to what does not matter. And it's his fault for providing them with that target to feed his ego.
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:45 AM
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38. Just like they're not arresting every Anon they can get their hands on?
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:31 PM
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45. I don't even know what you're responding to n/t
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 01:38 AM
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46. keeping one's face out of the media is no guarantee against being arrested.
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:32 AM
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47. But my point was that he has gone so far in his job as spokesperson
he completely overshadows the leaks. And as i've said before, the fact that we are having this conversation proves my point.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 08:20 PM
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25. Wikileaks chose to have a spokesperson to divert media interest from their other
staff.

That is, they purposefully created their own scapegoat. By the way, Openleaks has a spokesperson, as well.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:55 AM
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48. Wikileaks gets more attention because he put his face out there.
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Tunkamerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:34 PM
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8. should've just kept his mouth shut, huh?
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:38 PM
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11. Yes. Like Anonymous. n/t
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:45 PM
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15. Don't know much about Anonymous, do you?
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:46 PM
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16. Why don't you educate me then, in stead of just writing one-liners? nt
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 05:21 PM
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18. moot..
has also been a subject of fierce criticism and gratuitous personal attacks by the media over the years.

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Moot (NSFW)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan#moot
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 07:22 PM
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22. You saying he's got just as much attention as Assange?
Look, i know Assange is God to many people on this board, and i've defended him myself for a long time. But i can't anymore. This was never about him, but he is very much responsible for making it about him by holding press conferences, interviews non stop for months.

Read this piece by the NY Times on Assange.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/30/magazine/30Wikileaks-t.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1


Sorry, i love Wikileaks, and i don't like the way Assange has been fronting himself in all of this. It takes the attention away from where it belongs - on the leaks.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 08:06 PM
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23. Moot is never indicated any participation in Anonymous
Anonymous originally formed to protest the Church of Scientology, which has a long history of Internet attacks going back to the days of alt.scientology on Usenet. Hackers and Scientologists have been feuding for years. Do not confuse 4chan with Anonymous.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 08:26 PM
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27. Anonymous was around looooooooooong before Chanology.
LURK MOAR PLZ.
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toddaa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:31 PM
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28. You are mistaken
Perhaps you are referring to someone from ebaum's world.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 08:23 PM
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26. Anonymous has to stay anonymous because much of what they do is illegal.
What Wikileaks does is not illegal.
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:10 PM
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43. .
:rofl:

Noob...
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Lars77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:26 PM
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44. You're breaking my heart nt
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polly7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:10 PM
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4. K & R, the man's a hero, plain and simple. n/t
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snot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:45 AM
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39. +1. Still seeing extraordinary level of ignorance about WL on DU; pls, everyone,
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 11:48 AM by snot
double-check your facts. The corporate media in the US, including the NYT et al., have made numerous mistakes and mischaracterizations, some of which they've been forced to correct, but not, of course, in ways that ensure those corrections are seen.

You can see a succinct, accurate summary of the basic facts and issues at http://www.c-cyte.com/The_Case_for_Wikileaks.html .
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:11 PM
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5. Really appreciate his thoughtful intention, despite the blowback.
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glinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:41 PM
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13. His own mother has said he believes very strongly/deeply about things.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:14 PM
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6. I support Assange
Know a person by his enemies. His enemies want everything quiet, their voice the only one heard.

In this age, honest words are an act of revolution.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 02:35 PM
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10. Interesting read. r & R nt
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 05:29 PM
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19. No - you go after the owners.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 05:36 PM
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20. If you do illegal things, and a government goes after you for it
that is not being 'attacked.'
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Edweird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:22 PM
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35. What has he done that's 'illegal'?
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:10 PM
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42. Don't expect an answer to that one.
Some people evidently think that if you repeat something often enough, it becomes true.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:56 AM
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49. You've been asked what he has done that is illegal...
You going to answer?
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mrfrapp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 05:55 PM
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21. Chomsky
If nothing else, the Wikileaks story has vindicated Chomsky's most important message. That what we now call the "mainstream media" exists for no other reason than to maintain the status quo. The speed at which The Guardian has turned on Wikileaks is truly breath-taking.

Chomsky has written entire books on this subject but his most succinct analysis was given in an interview with the BBC journalist, Andrew Marr.

Marr: "How can you know that I'm self-censoring?"

Chomsky: "I don't think you're self-censoring. I'm sure you believe everything you're saying. But what I'm saying is if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting."


From what I can see from the last few months, The Guardian and The New York Times have been given very clear instruction not to rock the boat. They've had their fun, their moment of rebellion, but the serious business of putting Assange in prison is now their mission.

It's genuinely depressing.
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:51 PM
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29. K&R....n/t
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 10:57 PM
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30. Assange has the leaders right where he wants them. He has a lot
more to reveal. They'd better get off his case. Threats will not work. More power to him. Truth to power finally.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:04 PM
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31. "'We have not once, in four years of publishing, got it wrong'"
Aside from your first big taste of news in the tastefully titled and creatively edited "Collateral Murder"...

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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:17 PM
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33. Wikileaks released both videos, the 39 min version and the shorter version on the same day...
Both were titled "Collateral Murder". The NY Times even reported as such.

Here is a link to both. How about you watch both and point out the creative editing.
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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:36 AM
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37. The parts that skim over this tidbit...among others

Attributed to Ryno

A google search reveals multiple breakdowns by scene and by frame but I have a sneaking suspicion you wouldn't believe me even if they were handed to you on a silver platter.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:07 PM
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32. K&R
another character assassination by the American media.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:19 PM
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34. hahha
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vanlassie Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:32 PM
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36. "There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in." L. Cohen
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:49 AM
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41. Julian Assange. Marry me now please. Rec'd n/t
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