Flying the Confederate Flag is a declaration of war

[Taitertots]

The obvious racist undertones hide an important fact about the confederate flag. Even if you give someone the benefit of the doubt regarding the racist implications of flying the confederate flag it is a symbol of treasonous opposition to America. It is a declaration of war against America, and against the people of America.


So anyone who claims that their Confederate Flag isn't about racism is just letting you know that they support violent opposition to the government, Civil war, and sedition.

[GSLevel9]

1. this should be good.

:popcorn:

[bbinacan]

3. Pass the butter and salt please

:popcorn:

[GSLevel9]

4. I'm going to the frij, would you like a beer or a Coke? nt

[BlueDemKev]

11. Coke, Please.....

...I don't drink. Actually, make it bottled water...I've had enough kidney stones.

[bbinacan]

29. I'll take a beer. Thanks

make that two.

[AngryAmish]

78. just bring the dang six pack.

gonna be here awhile

[flvegan]

5. Skootch over.

:popcorn:

[dixiegrrrrl]

16. More butter on my grits, pls.

But don't get any on my flag....here, I will move it over....
ok....now, where were we?

[AsahinaKimi]

55. May I have some Popcorn too?

:popcorn:

[flvegan]

56. Dig in.

:popcorn:

[cali]

2. nothing like hyperbole.

[BlueDemKev]

6. Well, I hope you never move to Georgia

Because folks fly the rebel flag all over the place here. Outside their homes as well as private businesses.

[Taitertots]

14. I'm sure there are plenty of people in Georgia who are not racists or treasonous

At least enough to offset the mouth breathing Confederate flag flyers.

[BlueDemKev]

75. Yeah, I'm one of them....

...I'm just saying if the sight of the rebel flag offends you that much, you may not want to head down into the heart of Dixie.

[leftofcool]

7. Yea, and Indians feel the same way about the American Flag

Eerybody hates some body's flag

[BlueDemKev]

8. Why post that here?

Why don't you go and post that at www.arkansashunting.net? Just make sure you cover your tracks big time so that your IP link cannot be traced.

[Name removed]

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[BlueDemKev]

76. I said Arkansashunting.net

But, I wouldn't be surprised if Alabama has a similar website.

[Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel]

69. Maybe I'm missing something, but if arkansashunting-dot-net can

trace my IP then can't DU?

Fill me in. What is so bad with them? Are they trying to be like FR? Without registering all I see is a bunch of talk about hunting and gardening.

[BlueDemKev]

74. C'mon Dude.....

You're in a friendly environment here in DU. But if you plan on going into the lion's den, you'd better cover your tracks big time!

[Brilliantrocket]

9. It's their right to be racist.

I don't think it goes as far as to declare war. I have to disagree with you.

[Taitertots]

20. They insist it isn't about racism, what else could it be about?

It is about showing support for violent opposition to America and support for the systemic human rights abuses faced by African Americans. If they ain't racist, than they are certainly treasonous.

[sufrommich]

10. Stay away from your local Oktoberfest.

There's little Hitlers everywhere.

[Taitertots]

12. I've never seen a single Nazi flag at any Oktoberfest related event

Have you?

[sufrommich]

13. I was thinking German flags. nt

[Taitertots]

18. What makes you think it is the same flag? n/t

[Earth_First]

26. :facepalm:

Please tell me you forgot your :sarcasm: tag...

[EnviroBat]

66. Here, I like this one a lot...

[provis99]

36. what other flag would they fly? A Swedish flag?

stupid is as stupid writes, I guess.

[cynatnite]

15. Okay...I had to clean my monitor off for that one...

Racist...yeah

Declaration of war for expressing your racist self? Um...I don't think so. :eyes:

[Taitertots]

21. They keep insisting it isn't about racism, what do you think it is about? n/t

[cynatnite]

24. They keep insisting it's about heritage and how exceptional they are...

I think they really want to believe it and choose to ignore the flag's history. Delusion isn't an uncommon commodity for these types. Of course, many of this group are truly racist.

[Taitertots]

42. It didn't even exist prior to the Civil war and ceased to exist (as recognized flag) after

The only part of the history and heritage of the South that it could represent is the civil war. As the battle flag, the only aspect of the civil war that it could represent is the violent opposition to the Union.

Many are racist, many are delusional, and many are tea baggin, violent, wanna be revolutionaries.

[cynatnite]

47. You're preaching to the choir...

I'm just passing on what I've experienced here in the South.

[NuclearDem]

DU's giving me a headache from all the headdesking...

[Bonobo]

17. Jeezus, have you got the ability to parse out true statements and idiotic rhetoric?

I'm no fan of the south, but that is a really over-the-top, idiotic statement.

[oneshooter]

25. According to my G-Grandfathers diary he fought for the State of Mississippi.

He and his five brothers fought at Vicksburg. They were Millers, Sawyers and Farmers. They were there to fight because "the Yankees were in Mississippi". After the war they returned to their trades. I have all 17 diaries, five uniforms and seven weapons from that time frame.
My family were craftsmen, small merchants, and farmers. Many of them still are. NON of them owned, rented, or borrowed slaves.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

And I have flown the"Bonny Blue Flag" out of respect of them.

[provis99]

33. I'll bet they WANTED slaves.

non-slave owning southerners wanted slaves, even if they didn't have them at the moment. That's why southerners who didn't own slaves fought for the Confederacy.

[GSLevel9]

39. lol... REALLY???? nt

[tuckessee]

62. Are you really that ignorant of history or is this just a role you play on the internet?

[NuclearDem]

63. That's...yeah, not right at all

That's like saying every single soldier in the Wehrmacht wanted to see all the Jews dead.

Believe it or not, there very may well have been some Confederate soldiers who were just stepping up to defend their homeland against invasion. No slavery issue.

[Taitertots]

34. Why do you need to fly a symbol of treason and bigotry to respect them?

That flag is just as much a symbol of racism and treason as the Confederate battle flag.

Strange that you "respect" your Great grandpa by glorifying the worst thing he did in his life. At least I hope fighting for the confederacy was the worst thing he did.

[oneshooter]

65. As I stated before, he and his brothers fought for the State of Mississippi

They did not join the Army untill the Union Army was in Mississippi. Their diaries show that they were not slave owners, but were proud of thier state. They fought for their state, not for slavery.

Oneshooter
Armed and Livin in Texas

[Aristus]

44. Craftsmen, small merchants, and farmers. In others words, near the bottom of the socio-economic

scale.

Slaves were at the bottom. And as long as slavery existed, those craftsmen, small merchants and farmers would never be at the bottom themselves. That's a pretty powerful reason to fight for the preservation of slavery.

Slave owners were fighting for a concrete asset: property.

Non-slave owners were fighting for something much more powerful: an abstract idea - dignity and self worth.

Both supported slavery in their own way.

[nemo137]

48. +1

Thank you for writing that.

[eShirl]

22. Why do you hate Dukes of Hazzard?

You make Uncle Jesse cry.

[sharesunited]

23. It celebrates the 2nd Amendment's original intent.

Even if that is now as obsolete as the three-fifths compromise.

[Taitertots]

27. Your response is non-sequitur

How does rejecting the Constitution celebrate the Constitution?

[sharesunited]

61. That's the genius of the founders. They gave the skeptics of a central government a future opt out.

That is what the 2A is doing in there.

It is merely vestigial now, as a consequence of the Civil War.

Serving only to prop up our national pathology for guns and ammo.

[Historic NY]

28. I just came from a Museum in Va...and they don't display

the stars & bars for the obvious reason it was not the National Flag. The docent a retired military man made that very very clear. The again it was Maritime but covered the CSS.

[backscatter712]

30. I wouldn't call it a declaration of war, but...

I would say that pining for the days of the War of Southern Treason is in poor taste.

[treestar]

31. I only take it as a declaration of idiocy

Something that will go away in time.

It is best ignored. They are seeking to provoke with it - they know that.

[LuvNewcastle]

32. It's usually just a declaration of ignorance

and nothing more.

[provis99]

35. I disagree. They know exactly what it means.

I don't see the rotten rebel flag flown at the Southern Poverty Law Center, or any black institution in the South. Even a dumbass in the South knows why: because it stands for white supremacy.

[LuvNewcastle]

45. The SPLC isn't made up of a bunch of ignorant people.

When I was a kid here in MS, I saw the flag displayed all the time. Today fewer and fewer people are willing to be seen with a rebel flag. Although class issues are part of the reason for this change, the main issue is consideration for black people and their feelings. Not too long ago, white people either weren't aware of just how deep the feelings were against the flag or they just didn't care how others felt. There are still people who don't get it and think the flag is just part of being Southern and there are some, as you have stated, who just want to aggravate black people. Either way, the biggest obstacle these people face is their own ignorance.

[provis99]

37. by Confederate flag I assume you mean the Klan flag.

The flag we all recognize as the "Confederate" flag was never flown by the Confederacy. It was designed by the first wave of the Ku Klux Klan, and was based on the Confederate naval ensign.

[GSLevel9]

40. huh????

here's a real life confederate army battle flag.

[Kaleva]

51. The KKK uses the Stars and Stripes most often as their flag.

Most KKKers consider themselves to be patriotic Americans and not patriotic Confederates.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

71. Actually the 2nd Confederate Navy Jack is what most consider the Confederate flag

[aaaaaa5a]

38. The confederate flag is the most anti-American symbol in the world NT

[GSLevel9]

41. how about the damned Reeses Peanut Butter Cup?

THAT has to be the most hateful anti-American symbol!

[RegieRocker]

43. Johnny Rebel

You're right O P

[Kaleva]

46. That sort of went away when Congress made Confederate vets equal to Union vets for benefits

The Act was passed in 1958 and was symbolic as there were no surviving Confederate vets still living by that time.

[cynatnite]

49. I did not know that...

Thanks!

[RegieRocker]

50. Speechless

:crazy:

[Art_from_Ark]

68. The United States commemorated the final reunion of the UCV

(United Confederate Veterans) with a stamp in 1951.

[Liquorice]

52. LOL that's crazy. nt

[Skip Intro]

53. Yawn.

Glad to see this with the appropriate number of recs.

[Taitertots]

54. I'm so glad that you actually have something of content

I was concerned that your post would be without substance, showing that you have nothing worth saying or listening to.

[Skip Intro]

57. Maybe you're just a little ticked that I didn't take the bait. Judging by the number of recs

this thread has garnered, I'm not the only one uninterested in joining in some finger-pointing hatefest.

[Abq_Sarah]

59. I'm pretty sure it has about as much substance

As the OP.

[onenote]

58. I'm curious. Do you also think its a declaration of war against America

and against the American people when someone burns an American flag? And was it treasonous opposition to America when protestors marching against the Vietnam War carried the North Vietnamese flag?

[Kievan Rus]

60. Uh, the State Flag of Mississippi has the Confederate battle flag in it

Is that racist too?

[JoePhilly]

67. Sounds like Mississippi is hedging its bets, just in case the US does pan out.

[Obamanaut]

64. Most people who display the flag that some find offensive are not

displaying one of the three flags approved as flags of the confederacy during that period.

Are you referring to one of those three approved flags when you say "Confederate Flag", or is this thread designed to simply to rile people up?

[ProgressiveProfessor]

72. This exact issue was a major issue and embarassment at a high school a while back

Happened when we lived in MD...lifted from my journal

CSA Flag issue came up at a school near us a while back. Students were talking about seeing one in the parking lot. Staff scrambled, but there was nothing from the Dukes of Hazard to be found. There was a PA announcement about it, but no one spoke up. A few days later, parents called about it. Another parking lot search. Then one bright person pointed out that the CSA flag was NOT the 2ndCNJ. School staff bravely used the Internet and found what the real stars and bars were (1st CSA flag). They scouted the parking lot again and found the miscreant. They looked up the parking sticker and had the offender pulled from class to suspend him from school. Of course the student had no idea what the issue was. The sticker was actually the state flag of Georgia, affixed by his uncle several years before who had later sold the car to the student. It was not the 1st CSA flag. Neither the students, whining parents, or school staff figured it out, and when it was explained to them, it did not matter. Some parents pushed for expulsion of the student (for intimidation, not racism) just because of the accusation. The student was hassled and intimidated in the hallways. Several staff members made derogatory comments to him for embarrassing them and the school. The school attempted a gag order which failed. Word went out that the student and his parents were setting up to sue the school, several staff members and some of the whining parents for defamation. Eventually it calmed down, the student graduated (and went on to attend Georgia Tech).

Lessons Learned:
- The hysteria was foolish (as it always is)
- Facts don't matter if you have a good sound bite
- So called educated and educators are as as stupid and just as hysterical as the parental whiners.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

70. I just love the smell of hyperboile in the morning

[guitar man]

73. What if they are

Just some good ol' boys, never meanin' no harm?



:silly:

[Taitertots]

80. If there was a single black person in Hazzard county...

I'm sure they would think it isn't just "never meanin' no harm".

I'll bet their absence has something to do with racist "Good old boys" running them out of town.

[WildEyedLiberal]

81. I think you're taking the Dukes of Hazzard a leeeetle too seriously

[Uncle Joe]

83. Not all of them

[slackmaster]

77. 'K

[barbiegeek]

79. I tell them that it was legal to rape woman & kids under slavery

[juxtaposed]

82. here's what the boys in tampa did

<img src="" "In a last act of defiance some of Tampa's finest resort to a publicity campaign of flying the worlds largest confederate battle flag at the apex of I-4 and I-75 in an attempt to gather support for their proud and noble Confederate heritage??" /></a>