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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:09 PM
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The Rebellion in Egypt
Events in Egypt, and other areas of the world, have created interest in the dynamics of what is known as “rebellion.” Obviously, people with different interests in terms of promoting versus discouraging social rebellions view these events from distinct perspectives. Thus, it should come as no surprise when different people describe what is happening in very different ways. For example, if one watches the televised news, they hear various analysis from politicians, journalists both in the studio and in Egypt, and Muslims in the United States and in the Middle East.

Even within the fields of the social sciences (which include areas such as sociology, political science, and history), there are a wide range of theory regarding the causes and consequences of rebellions. Most, however, recognize that rebellions aim to bring changes in three general areas: culture; economics; and socio-political institutions.

Further, there are at least seven types of rebellions (also known as “insurrections”) that can take place. Add to this the fact that a rebellion can easily combine two or more of these seven, and the often confused/confusing reporting on events in Egypt may become slighter clearer. These seven types are:

1- Mutiny: this takes place in the military, of course, and will probably be the deciding factor in Egypt.

2- Civil disobedience: The classic examples include Gandhi's efforts to remove British rule from India; and King's efforts to gain equality for one group within the United States.

3- Resistance movements: These involve “freedom fighters,” seeking to remove an occupying force.

4- Revolts: These tend to be localized efforts.

5- Subversion: These often use tactics of sabotage, though not in the non-violent manner of civil disobedience.

6- Terrorism: The extreme form of violence.

7- Revolution: The over-turning of a system.

In my opinion, what is taking place in Egypt is a revolutionary movement. It appears to be one that encourages the military to reject the established authority of Mubarak. There are, of course, people on the news expressing concern that the atmosphere in Egypt may encourage the members of radical groups (resistance movements) to seek to gain leadership positions in the current circumstances. Regardless if one has any respect for the positions that a Wolf Blitzer promotes, this general concept has some degree of validity. Hence, it may be worth examining a few general theories of revolution.

The historic theories that most Democratic Underground members are familiar with would probably be those of Alexis de Tocqueville. He saw three general types: {1} the classic political revolution; {2} the sudden, often extremely violent type that creates a “new order”; and {3} a slow, sweeping type that transforms a society over a period of generations. This third type can be as a result of a new religious movement; or, as John Neisbett noted in 1982, as the result of new technologies – especially those that create a “high information” society. The reports about the role that cell phones and the internet have played in Egypt may seem somewhat exaggerated, but there seems no doubt that technology has played an important role.

More recently, Charles Tilly identified five types of revolution that are worth looking at: {1} a coup; {2} top-down seizures of power; {3} civil wars; {4} a series of revolts; and {5} the classic revolutions, based upon economics and social structures. As ignorant as they are, those who identify with the Tea Party tend to identify with the theories of Tilly – although they probably do not realize this, or understand the potential consequences of their stupidity.

The third theorist that I think is important to this discussion is Theda Skopol, the first tenured female sociologist at Harvard. Some consider her to be controversial, because her thoughts on conflicts between interests groups were influenced by the writings of Karl Marx. (I'm not offended by that.) In 2003, she published “Diminishing Democracy,” about the decline of civics in the United States, which I strongly recommend.

Skopol identified four dynamics in modern society that play roles in revolutions: {1} a state social structure that does not promote (or allow) equality; {2} international competitive pressures; {3} an international demonstration effect; and {4} class/group relations. In terms of #3, one would look at events in other countries, known to the people of Egypt by way of the internet, etc, that could encourage rebellion.

I could go on and on. (I usually do.) But I'm getting tired, and my daughters are asking me to watch a Kennedy special on television. I hope that this little contribution helps people to see some of the dynamics that are taking place in Egypt today. Again, in my opinion, the essential thing for the US government to do today is to advocate for as orderly a transfer of power there as possible.

Peace,
H2O Man
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:14 PM
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1. Thank you for an excellent primer. Rec.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:19 PM
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4. What tekisui said
:thumbsup:
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:18 PM
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2. DeFronzo’s 5 critical factors in a revolution:

1. Mass Frustration resulting in popular uprisings
2. Dissident elite political movements
3. Unifying Motivations
4. A severe political crisis paralyzing the administrative and coercive capabilities of the state
5. A permissive or tolerant world context
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:10 AM
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14. Very good!
Thank you for adding this. I hope that others will make similar contributions to this OP/thread.

Of these five factors, which one(s) do you think are most important in the events in Egypt?
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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 02:36 PM
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24. In the end I think the permissive world context will be the final nail in the coffin
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 04:05 PM
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25. The old fellow
seems to have little outside support.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:19 PM
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3. k&r....
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RKP5637 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:34 PM
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5. Very interesting read! Thank you! n/t
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:39 PM
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6. kick and rec for the info.
Excellent!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:47 AM
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22. Thanks!
It looks like tomorrow will be an intense day in Egypt.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-30-11 11:46 PM
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7. Thanks, as usual.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:06 AM
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8. Very interesting and great food for thought. Thank you. (nt)
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:42 AM
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9. k&r and thank you and good nite. nm
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Peter1x9 Donating Member (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 12:43 AM
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10. Egypt: 1% control 90% of the wealth in the country
The average Egyptian realized the hopelessness of their situation and finally decided to do something about it.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:23 AM
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15. Right.
When those conditions exist, it is a powder keg. It takes a fuse, though, to ignite the keg. And then there is a potential for progress, destruction, or some combination of those two.

The same dynamic that you accurately describe for Egypt exist in many other countries. Far too many. Yet in Egypt, something served as that fuse.

Frequently -- though certainly not always -- a group's expectations have risen, then been frustrated, before such events take place. It is more common for this to happen, than for a group to simply be pushed straight down, and then react by rebellion (the primary exception being when a foreign power invades).

Thus, if this model fits, one must consider what was involved. Not to pick on any one "journalist," but as many DUers have seen, Wolf Blitzer attempts to attribute this in large part to a speech by President Obama. There is a possibility that Blitzer is "correct," though I assume that he reached this conclusion for the wrong reasons. More, I am not intending to suggest that President Obama's speech alone roused a sleeping giant.

An equally important dynamic -- actually, far more important -- is the concern that those 1% have in various countries that their masses will see the events in Egypt, and be inspired to attempt similar rebellions against the gross inequalities and social injustices in their lands.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:00 AM
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19. The fuse inadvertanty was provided by the Ben Bernanke.
Quantitative Easing is leading to commodity inflation.

This is made worse by heavy fixed subsidies by the Egyptian government.

Food staples are subsidized 80% or more. Say Average Egyptian poor spends $1 a day on food. True cost w/o subsidies is likely $5.

Egypt has been facing 8% food inflation. However it isn't 8% on the $1 it is 8% on $5. = $0.40 rise in prices. So food is now $5.40, Egyptian govt still subsidizes $4. Leaving $1.40. To the working poor food has risen 40%. That is your fuse.
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molly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:11 PM
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26. Maybe why Hillary Clinton wanted a meeting of the diplomats.
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:30 PM
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27. It seems silly to cite Obama's visit to Cairo as the fuse
Given that it happened almost a year ago. I suspect Tunisia is the more likely fuse.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:55 PM
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28. Events in Tunisia
are definitely a much more significant factor.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:20 AM
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11. K&R with my thanks. n/t
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 01:23 AM
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12. K&R
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:25 AM
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13. You always seem to bring clarity & focus to an event or issue
Thank you.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:31 AM
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17. Thank you.
I appreciate that, although I am fully aware that the OP was simply the result of my applying what I learned in college while taking social sciences. In fact, I had to pull out a couple of my old text books for references!

It's beneficial for my understanding of some of the dynamics in current events to apply some of that past learning. It's important to me to not try to make these events fit any one model, but to try to see what model applies best. Or which models, as things do not often fit any one perfectly.

I think it can also go a long way in explaining why the often curiously inaccurate reporting of these events is the staple of our corporate media.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:29 AM
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16. Excellent post
Thanks
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:49 AM
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18. I've heard reports
that there are cases where arson etc being committed by police officers. Though not surprising, it certainly adds to the ugliness. I do not think the military will support such actions.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:40 AM
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23. Looting as well
and word is that some of the prison breakouts received help from the state
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:08 AM
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20. Rec'd n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:08 AM
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21. K&R nt
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