DREAM Act fails, 55-42

[Ruby the Liberal]

Cloture vote opposed by Hagin, Snowe, Collins, Brown and all the usual suspects. Murkowski (sp?) did vote aye.

[The Straight Story]

1. needed 60... (nt)

[spartan61]

2. All I can say is. "SHIT!!!"

[spanone]

3. fuck the republicans-----again

[godai]

13. CNN: Several Democrats voted no...

Without identifying anyone, they said several Dems voted no, several Repubs voted yes.

[spanone]

18. i repeat, fuck the republicans.....again

[godai]

48. And, I presume, Pryor, Testor, Nelson, Baucus and Hagan.

It failed because of these Democrats' votes.
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Three Republicans supported the bill today: Dick Lugar of Indiana, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Robert Bennett of Utah. But five Democrats voted against it: Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Jon Tester of Montana, Ben Nelson of Nebraska, Max Baucus of Montana and Kay Hagan of North Carolina.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/dream-act-senate-republicans-block-act-for-illegal-immigrant-students/story?id=12429589&page=4

[godai]

49. Five Democrats voted no, enough to pass it. n/t

[AC_Mem]

4. There just is no true justice anymore

No human compassion.

Both of these votes are in support of basic human rights. Are we really in America?

[DainBramaged]

5. The tax cut package is good for America, rich White America

they got what the fuck THEY wanted, now everyone else can go fuck themselves.


Trust them Obama said.


Bullshit.

[Davis_X_Machina]

6. Clouture fails, despit the presence of a majority for the legislation....

...you must always phrase it this way.

To do otherwise reinforces the myth of a 60-vote Senate.

The legislation commands a majority.

[tritsofme]

37. If it was a myth and not reality

Then this bill would be law.

[madmax]

7. What happened to 49 - 51?

:mad: This is bullshit.

[nolabear]

8. Damn. Damndamndamndamndamn.

Damn. I got no words anymore.

[EFerrari]

9. Stupid @ssholes.

[GoCubsGo]

10. The Dems better use this in 2012

Let's hope this means the repugs have just kissed goodbye the Hispanic vote.

[RZM]

21. I don't think it will have much effect

The Republicans are already in the tank with the Hispanic vote. They really can't fall a whole lot further. I'd say the reverse is more true -- the Dems are at risk of losing key working-class white votes if they are perceived as sympathizing too much with illegal immigrants. Right now, a couple points of white votes is worth far more than a couple points of Hispanic votes. Despite demographic trends, that will still be the case decades from now, though the gap will slowly narrow over time.

[pampango]

24. Statistically it's similar to the Civil Rights legislation. Democrats lost some white voters (which

are a big bloc of votes) while gaining a lot of minority votes (though they were a smaller bloc).

[RZM]

33. True, but it should also be remembered

that after 1964 Democrats didn't win a WH election again until 1976, when they had additional help from the Watergate legacy, so in the short term it certainly wasn't a game-changer, at least on the Presidential level. Of course the minority share of the vote was lower then too.

Africans Americans are already 'maxed out' on the Dem side and in any case, attitudes in that community towards pro-immigrant legislation are mixed, despite how the CBC votes in Congress. My sense is that the breakdown of the Hispanic vote won't move all that much in coming decades -- what is going to change is that the total Hispanic share of the electorate will rise -- so even if the breakdown stays approximately the same, over time it will mean more votes for Dems as the Hispanic share of the population rises. But that is going to be a long, slow process.

[sweetapogee]

30. correct

and I think the failed effort will hurt us more in the near term. I use for example my Senator Bob Casey Jr.(D-PA), up for reelection in 2012 and IF the economy is still in the shit can the pukes will use his support for DREAM against him, they will make him defend this and in much of PA this will hurt him. Not saying it's right, just saying.... I'm actually surprised he voted yes, pleased, surprised but not sure it will help him next election.

[SaveAmerica]

41. I don't know, sometimes you should just do it when it's right, you know?

I think that's why a lot of people here are made, we put our time and energy in '08 towards people who promised to do the right thing for the people. Voting for or against something because it will keep you in office isn't the right thing (although I think it will work in your favor because the same people who wore out sneakers and voices in '08 will come back for you and do it again in the future, you know what I mean?)

[RZM]

42. I imagine they justify it this way:

'If I'm out on my ass, I can't do anything it all, so it's all about compromising and charting a middle path so I can do at least some good.'

[lunamagica]

50. Yeah, let's forget about doing the right thing. After all, it's only a few million of

kids whose life plan was shattered today

[City Lights]

11. Fuck the GOP maggots.

:nuke:

[pampango]

12. Score another one for the repubs. Let's hope DADT doesn't fall to a repub filibuster, too.

I hope the tea baggers and repub base are happy and that this comes back to bite them big time.

[godai]

15. CNN: Looks like DADT will get 60 votes. n/t

[Ruby the Liberal]

16. DADT Closure passed. Yay!

[DainBramaged]

14. It amazes me how the unrecing crew would unrec this thread.

You must hate America....

[Ruby the Liberal]

17. Turncoat list from MSNBC

Democratic backers of the legislation fell short of the 60 votes to move the DREAM Act legislation forward. Democratic Sens. Mark Pryor of Arkansas, Jon Tester of Montana, Max Baucus of Montana, Kay Hagan of North Carolina, and Ben Nelson of Nebraska voted against bringing the bill to the floor;

And thanks to: Republican Sens. Richard Lugar, Lisa Murkowski, and Robert Bennett voted for it.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/18/5673808-dream-act-blocked-in-senate

[nc4bo]

20. Kay Hagan? Really now. We just elected her and this is what she's going to do! wtf?

[SaveAmerica]

40. I was surprised as well, the #s of Latinos in NC is increasing, they vote

What was she thinking? I called yesterday to give my 2cents and was told that she was a no. I thought she had better understanding than that.

[DonCoquixote]

32. Montana

Hey Montana, you got your land by stealing it from Mexico, and now you do not want Latinos in your state. To hell with you.

[proud2BlibKansan]

35. There is a growing anti-immigrant movement in Nebraska

Nelson was likely heavily lobbied to vote against The Dream Act.

[TheKentuckian]

19. Fuck the conservanazis!

[egoclothes]

22. :-(

[lightningandsnow]

23. Well, this sucks.

:(

[Phlunk]

25. Sorry, I am pretty new here

I have always considered myself pretty liberal and vote and work for liberal causes. Why was the dream act a good thing? I apologize as I am obviously not as informed as many on here but I thought bringing more illegal aliens into our society was a bad thing? Someone please set me straight on this.

[MH1]

26. DREAM ACT is for young people who were brought here as children

Imagine if you were told you had to go 'home' to a place you never really knew, since your parents had brought you here with them when you were, say, 2 years old? How fucked up would that be?

Yes I think the age in the bill is 15 or 16. I think that could've been lowered and still keep the spirit of the bill, but I don't think that compromise would have gotten any votes anyway.

[mmonk]

27. It was to reward children brought to the US before age 16 and went

to school here and graduated a chance at citizenship and college.

Requirements:

■Must have entered the United States before the age of 16 (i.e. 15 and younger)
■Must have been present in the United States for at least five (5) consecutive years prior to enactment of the bill
■Must have graduated from a United States high school, or have obtained a GED, or have been accepted into an institution of higher education (i.e. college/university)
■Must be between the ages of 12 and 35 at the time of application
■Must have good moral character


If one doesn't care about that sort of thing, I guess it doesn't matter.

[Phlunk]

34. Thank you

I appreciate the explanation, it makes sense to me now.

[Ghost in the Machine]

47. You left a few of the requirements out though...

Does not grant legal immigrant status to anyone for at least 2 years. Previous versions of the DREAM Act would have immediately granted legal immigrant status to individuals who met the bill’s requirements. Under S. 3992, an individual could obtain “conditional nonimmigrant” status if he proves that he meets the age (currently 29 or under and arrived in the U.S. at 15 or under) and residency requirements (5 years or more) and:
Has graduated from an American high school or obtained a GED;
Has been a person of “good moral character,” as determined by the Department of Homeland Security, from the date the individual initially entered the U.S. (previous versions of the DREAM Act only required an individual to be a person of good moral character from the date of the bill’s enactment);
Submits biometric information;
Undergoes security and law-enforcement background checks;
Undergoes a medical examination; and
Registers for the Selective Service

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act#2010


The Act, as written, still has many roadblocks in it and would still be hard to get approved by far more than it helps....

YMMV

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[Phlunk]

36. I am liberal.....

but obviously not the same kind as you. You should be ashamed of yourself for a comment such as that to someone you don't even know. I simply asked a question about something I didn't know about.......I apologized for having my "head in the sand" on that prticular issue.

have a good day

[blondeatlast]

38. Your use of language is more accepted elsewhere, too. Just sayin'. nt

[Fgiriun]

44. One must not tolerate intolerance....

[blondeatlast]

45. The word you used is despicable to this female and has been singled out

with another digusting word referring to race as intolerable at this site, and rightly so.

Your language use seems more "intolerant" than the other posters ignorance.

[dana_b]

28. damnit...

the Dems who voted "no" should change parties.

[proud2BlibKansan]

29. Damn sad.

So sorry to hear this.

[blondeatlast]

39. Damn, damn, damn. nt

[La Lioness Priyanka]

43. sucks

[Canuckistanian]

46. Xenophobia wins the day.

At least there's the DADT victory.